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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:52 pm to hawgfaninc
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we've gotta gather more data before deciding if bert needs dumping
but until then we can argue on a message board
I'm still on the wagon as I stated in the original post. I only evaluate a coach after year three just as I did with Petrino. Toledo certainly pissed everyone off. I want Coach B to right the ship and give this program stability BUT the wins are also expected set by previous coaches.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:53 pm to lefty08
Some have been waiting to strike up the comparisons between two because of how both love to run instead of passing the damn ball, allegedly.
Arkansas is tops in the SEC 12th in the country in passing yards per game.
BA is 5th in the country in passing yards.
Since passing the ball is nothing but good and entertaining and the way Lombardi envisioned the game to be played, it must be the defenses' fault for losses.
Arkansas is 23rd yards/game, 28th points/game.
So where does the problem most likely lie?
89th yards/game.
That is where we rank in rushing.
Its amazing how Petrino's teams with their prolific pass offense never looked more than mediocre until Knile Davis started to run the ball down defenses throats, before he took over the position for the team, the lack of productivity was blamed on the o-line back then as well.
Basically, stop with the Crowe/Nutt comparison non-sense when better comparisons can be found within the not so distance past within a decade.
Arkansas is tops in the SEC 12th in the country in passing yards per game.
BA is 5th in the country in passing yards.
Since passing the ball is nothing but good and entertaining and the way Lombardi envisioned the game to be played, it must be the defenses' fault for losses.
Arkansas is 23rd yards/game, 28th points/game.
So where does the problem most likely lie?
89th yards/game.
That is where we rank in rushing.
Its amazing how Petrino's teams with their prolific pass offense never looked more than mediocre until Knile Davis started to run the ball down defenses throats, before he took over the position for the team, the lack of productivity was blamed on the o-line back then as well.
Basically, stop with the Crowe/Nutt comparison non-sense when better comparisons can be found within the not so distance past within a decade.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:58 pm to DaleDenton
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Some have been waiting to strike up the comparisons between two because of how both love to run instead of passing the damn ball, allegedly.
Arkansas is tops in the SEC 12th in the country in passing yards per game.
BA is 5th in the country in passing yards.
Since passing the ball is nothing but good and entertaining and the way Lombardi envisioned the game to be played, it must be the defenses' fault for losses.
Arkansas is 23rd yards/game, 28th points/game.
So where does the problem most likely lie?
89th yards/game.
That is where we rank in rushing.
if and when we get our rushing attack on track with that passing ...
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:59 pm to SunHog
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I'm still on the wagon as I stated in the original post. I only evaluate a coach after year three just as I did with Petrino. Toledo certainly pissed everyone off. I want Coach B to right the ship and give this program stability BUT the wins are also expected set by previous coaches.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:05 pm to hawgfaninc
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if and when we get our rushing attack on track with that passing ...
I do not believe the offense ran at Wisconsin was of Bert's choosing or what he wants to run.
A few reasons for this:
The biggest was Gary Anderson's Wisconsin teams ran the same offense, the same damn offense Barry ran there.
I haven't watched Wisconsin this year, or plan too, to see if Chryst is running this same offense or a very similar offense, even tho him running a similar offense would make more sense due to his time at Wisconsin before compared to what Anderson ran every where else until he got to Wisconsin.
The other reason is because of the OCs hired, Chaney made sense at the time since we supposedly had all these stud WRs and QBs waiting in the wings, however if Bert truly wanted his Wisconsin offense here he would have hired a OC who runs that offense this time around instead of Enos who runs something more similar to today's NFL offense than what most think of the 70s-90s NFL offenses when the term "pro-style" is used.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:12 pm to DaleDenton
Bret wants to be a pro style team, thats how you get the most successful men to the NFL, and thats what BB is in coaching for. To me thats an obvious answer
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:17 pm to lefty08
He said he wanted to run more like the Stanford teams that had Andrew Luck or his team with Russell Wilson than just a run it up the gut offense that some people portray.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:21 pm to Kilgore Snout
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He said he wanted to run more like the Stanford teams that had Andrew Luck or his team with Russell Wilson than just a run it up the gut offense that some people portray.
Yes, but for whatever reason today it seems most associate "pro style" with a negative run up the gut 3 yards and a cloud of dust meaning.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:05 pm to Kilgore Snout
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I always ask people ready to fire Bielema "Ok, who are we going to go hire?" After they quit trying to say "Saban, Malzahn, Urban Meyer..." and be realistic they almost always say "Hire an up and comer!
frick it, the Vest should be available soon.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:18 pm to King
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frick it, the Vest should be available soon.
ohhh Lord no please...
Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:18 pm to SunHog
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SunHog
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Coach B won't be touching Nutt or Petrino for his three year record. He also won't be touching Petrino for his 4th year win/loss record. He can only hope to achieve as much success as Nutt, which included a Championship game appearance in year four.
Nutt didn't make a championship appearance until 2002, which was year five for him not year four.
We lost to Georgia 3 - 30. How very fricking impressive.
Here is Nutt's record his first three years:
9-3
8-4
6-6
Notice any pattern there Sunhog?
If we get stomped in the dirt by Nevada Las Vegas in our bowl game this year with a 6-6 record, then I guess we can start with the unfavorable comparisons to Nutt, but right now you just look like a man overboard.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 9/16/15 at 12:02 am to PygmalionEffect
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Nutt didn't make a championship appearance until 2002, which was year five for him not year four.
We lost to Georgia 3 - 30. How very fricking impressive.
Here is Nutt's record his first three years:
9-3
8-4
6-6
Notice any pattern there Sunhog?
If we get stomped in the dirt by Nevada Las Vegas in our bowl game this year with a 6-6 record, then I guess we can start with the unfavorable comparisons to Nutt, but right now you just look like a man overboard.
I went off what DaleDenton said regarding Nutt and his first SEC championship game without looking it up. However, now I'm thinking about it I remember exactly where I was sitting at on campus in 2002 watching us get demolished by UGA.
Anyhow, Bielema is currently sitting on the level of Crowe with a majority of the season left. (Coach B is given an extra game to help his record 2006-present schedules) He needs to win 7 games to get to Ford's level of success in year three.
Bret needs to win 30 games in four years to accomplish Nutt's success and 34 games to get to Petrino's level at year four.
Bret is sitting at 11 wins and will need 19 more wins in two seasons to even achieve Nutt's level of wins. As it stands now, he will still fall behind Nutt in year four. I'm not okay with that, if that is how it plays out.
We already got beat by Toledo which is equivalent to UNLV or Citadel each in year three.
The point.. We were sold a bill of goods that we would be trending up exactly like Petrino while having it sustained. However, the season isn't over and we could very well trend up but getting to 8 wins this year is harder now we screwed up with Toledo. The hype train needed to stop and when the dust clears it looks like he will fall behind Nutt's record in year three and four.. However, all can be forgotten if he wins us an SEC title this year or next which would be better than any previous coach.
If Coach B sustains 8-9+ win seasons then he will proven to have built a program that can compete in the SEC year in and year out. It's his mouth that is pissing a lot of people off when his win level is worse than Ford's in year three in and out of conference.
It doesn't help an old friend from Wisconsin said, "He cannot win the close ones or the big ones, you'll see" that certainly sticks out in my mind and I hope he is wrong.. I think he was referring to the Rose Bowls, Ohio State and 2-4 Bowl record..
He does have conference championships and that is what we want the most.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 1:21 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 1:02 am to hawgfaninc
I'm on Coach B's bandwagon and hope he does well. No doubt he inherited the worst of situations and regardless whomever took over the reins it was going to be a long and tough winding road ahead. Our patience would of course be tested and any turnaround, if in fact there was one, wouldn't come soon enough.
He may or may not enjoy the same success level as Nutt or Petrino. As much as a number on this board hate those guys, with reasons for disliking Nutt not being so clear to me while the reasons to dislike Petrino are obvious, from a pure perspective of attaining the level of success that those two had here at Arkansas, Coach B has a ways to go. And that's not a slam; that's just a statistical fact.
I have been giving and am certainly willing to continue to give what most of us considered to be a surprise hire that chance. How long he is given really can't be set in stone by some mathematical formula. I think most of us expect continued improvement from year to year as he builds the program and we've got a few more games to play this season before we can have an accurate assessment of improvement.
He may or may not enjoy the same success level as Nutt or Petrino. As much as a number on this board hate those guys, with reasons for disliking Nutt not being so clear to me while the reasons to dislike Petrino are obvious, from a pure perspective of attaining the level of success that those two had here at Arkansas, Coach B has a ways to go. And that's not a slam; that's just a statistical fact.
I have been giving and am certainly willing to continue to give what most of us considered to be a surprise hire that chance. How long he is given really can't be set in stone by some mathematical formula. I think most of us expect continued improvement from year to year as he builds the program and we've got a few more games to play this season before we can have an accurate assessment of improvement.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 6:30 am to SunHog
I love it. After Saturday everyone should be criticizing the coaches and the team. If can't take the criticism, no way they win a game on the road and then they'll hear a much harsher tone from the fans and alumni.
Time for Bielema to get his boys to bounce back and hit someone.
Time for Bielema to get his boys to bounce back and hit someone.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 7:31 pm to SunHog
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I went off what DaleDenton said regarding Nutt and his first SEC championship game without looking it up. However, now I'm thinking about it I remember exactly where I was sitting at on campus in 2002 watching us get demolished by UGA.
I didn't say that, I said he and Ford each won the SEC West within their first four years, which both did.
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