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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:00 pm to DaleDenton
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:00 pm to DaleDenton
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:02 pm to SunHog
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Three year win record:
Ford 18
Nutt 23
Petrino 23
Coach B needs 7 wins to tie Danny Ford or he will be the worst SEC coach we've ever had in three years.
Lets examine this another way.
SEC Western Division Championships First Recruiting Cycle (4 years).
Danny Ford - 1
Houston Nutt - 1
Bobby Petrino - 0
Bert - TBD
By this measure Bert has this year and next to elevate himself above the worst full time HC, results wise, since we joined the SEC; Bobby Petrino.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:02 pm to ArHog
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Playing in the East is weak
His 2011 team gave us all we wanted with the best play caller alive. We got pretty lucky to win, actually. They were legit.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:04 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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We can just try to be reasonable.
We can try, but when the thought process is along the lines of a HC being the deciding factor:
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This is irrelevant.
Is not a reasonable response when evidence to the contrary of an example is presented.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:05 pm to SunHog
BB wanted to come in and be a passing pro offense. All he had was the run and went with it.
God damn i can't defend chaney. Recruit some playmakers or don't.
God damn i can't defend chaney. Recruit some playmakers or don't.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:08 pm to DaleDenton
I always ask people ready to fire Bielema "Ok, who are we going to go hire?" After they quit trying to say "Saban, Malzahn, Urban Meyer..." and be realistic they almost always say "Hire an up and comer!"
I say, "Fine, so after you hire a Derek Dooley and fire him in 3 years, then what?"
"You hire another up and comer!"
People also like to forget that Urban Meyer has such a good record because he bails before a team gets bad. Florida was going to be bad post-Tebow. He knew it, so he quit. He couldn't go straight to tOSU because it was going to be bad. So he waits out the 6-6 year, and comes in for a 10 win type year. Smart guy. Can't afford any 5-7 or 4-8 records at Florida if you want to appear invincible. Let someone else soak up those seasons.
I say, "Fine, so after you hire a Derek Dooley and fire him in 3 years, then what?"
"You hire another up and comer!"
People also like to forget that Urban Meyer has such a good record because he bails before a team gets bad. Florida was going to be bad post-Tebow. He knew it, so he quit. He couldn't go straight to tOSU because it was going to be bad. So he waits out the 6-6 year, and comes in for a 10 win type year. Smart guy. Can't afford any 5-7 or 4-8 records at Florida if you want to appear invincible. Let someone else soak up those seasons.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:08 pm to sugatowng
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Exactly why you should get on the wagon...Everybody knows the dollars involved. Not the case in 90-92. Support him or become one of those that have nothing to do but bash him on a message board.
It's that simple
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:10 pm to SunHog
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Coach B is trending
right he's trending.
what he does in the future dictates if he'll be continue trending up or start trending down.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:14 pm to DaleDenton
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Lets examine this another way.
SEC Western Division Championships First Recruiting Cycle (4 years).
Danny Ford - 1
Houston Nutt - 1
Bobby Petrino - 0
Bert - TBD
By this measure Bert has this year and next to elevate himself above the worst full time HC, results wise, since we joined the SEC; Bobby Petrino.
Let's keep the cart behind the horse. Year four will certainly be its on thing, until then let us stick with the present as that is all we have.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:14 pm to DaleDenton
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:17 pm to Kilgore Snout
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People also like to forget that Urban Meyer has such a good record because he bails before a team gets bad. Florida was going to be bad post-Tebow. He knew it, so he quit. He couldn't go straight to tOSU because it was going to be bad. So he waits out the 6-6 year, and comes in for a 10 win type year. Smart guy. Can't afford any 5-7 or 4-8 records at Florida if you want to appear invincible. Let someone else soak up those seasons.
True, by other luck (even if it seems like bad luck at the time) or proper planning he has stayed ahead of the bad as a result of his recruiting and development (don't check the recruiting rankings at UF his last few years, they are never wrong).
Petrino has done the same thing, he leaves Louisville after 41-5 (or whatever it was), Kragthorpe's HC career is ended by the result of Petrino's prior work.
ATL was a shite show of a season, he quits.
Comes to Arkansas, a bad season separated from a mediocre season by coaching decisions is ignored, almost every HC in given this benefit of the doubt their first year. Second season a kicker gifts him a win from being an embarrassing loss against ECU, then "21-5", and a contract violation leading to his dismissal. We see the same result here he left at Louisville, damn it sucked to be wrong about that ever possibly happening.
Still some how Louisville takes him back after all they've been through and watched us go through, something about not learning from mistakes in the past leads to losses at home to Cougar High this past weekend.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:17 pm to DaleDenton
There is something to be said for stability but not every Coach can be an outlier with initial mediocre to bad results like Gary Pinkle.
Pinkle's first 7 years at Missouri were awful and then he rattled of many 10+ win seasons and back to back SEC championship games.
You gotta find the dumping off point if results aren't met and you're dealing with a fan base that remembers Nutt very well.
Pinkle's first 7 years at Missouri were awful and then he rattled of many 10+ win seasons and back to back SEC championship games.
You gotta find the dumping off point if results aren't met and you're dealing with a fan base that remembers Nutt very well.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:19 pm to SunHog
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Let's keep the cart behind the horse. Year four will certainly be it's on thing until then let us stick with the present.
The present is TTU game week, not the results of the past weekend.
You can measure success or failure in any number of ways. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:23 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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They were legit.
Yup with losses to
USCe
Bama
UGA
Florida
Tennessee
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:24 pm to SunHog
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There is something to be said for stability but not every Coach can be an outlier with initial mediocre to bad results like Gary Pinkle.
Pinkle's first 7 years at Missouri were awful and then he rattled of many 10+ win seasons and back to back SEC championship games.
Pinkel had a losing season 3 years ago.
Billy Donovan had two losing seasons while HC at Florida, it is much more difficult for a decent power program to have a losing season in basketball than football, all anyone talks about is the two championships he won with one team, not the NITs that followed or the losing season after a return trip to the final four.
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You gotta find the dumping off point if results aren't met and you're dealing with a fan base that remembers Nutt very well.
I guess people have forgot about Petrino lucking out of sure losses against bad FBS and FCS schools his first 3 seasons...
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:28 pm to DaleDenton
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:33 pm to DaleDenton
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Pinkel had a losing season 3 years ago.
Good luck telling the Arkansas fan base to hold on for 7 years with the best being 8-5 during that time. I'd gladly take one losing season of the past 8 years that included 5, 10+ win seasons and two SEC championship game appearances.
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I guess people have forgot about Petrino lucking out of sure losses against bad FBS and FCS schools his first 3 seasons...
Coach B won't be touching Nutt or Petrino for his three year record. He also won't be touching Petrino for his 4th year win/loss record. He can only hope to achieve as much success as Nutt, which included a Championship game appearance in year four.
I want Coach B to win out however the win loss speak for themselves and he isn't on par with Nutt. Let's hope he can become a Pinkle without the seven year wait.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:33 pm to DaleDenton
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I'm fricking pissed off at Bert, but I'm still on his side and I agree with this point. Instability can kill an otherwise good program, and Tennessee and Michigan are prime examples of blue blood programs devastated by instability at head coach the last 10 years.
I truly believe you are going to see Texas and possibly SC go down this path very soon.
Its knee-jerk decisions that bury a program, you have had Tennessee and Michigan trying to "keep up/ahead" of Bama and Ohio St.
UCLA and aggy success will drive Texas and SC down this path.
Arkansas has no outside force muddying their thought process and reasoning ability such as this, which should be a good thing. That is the advantage of not having a rivalry.
Yeah the loss sucked, its Tuesday, get over it.
all of this
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:38 pm to SunHog
Holy frick I/ve seen the word "Nutt" wayyyyyyyyy too many fricking times in the last 3 days.
Stop with the ignorant arse posts already
Stop with the ignorant arse posts already
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:44 pm to SunHog
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You gotta find the dumping off point
we've gotta gather more data before deciding if bert needs dumping
but until then we can argue on a message board
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