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re: I'm done with Bert

Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:14 am to
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22773 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:14 am to
And Bobby P was 20-5 in at the peak of the SECs powers and toughest the league as a whole ever was. ...coaching matters....it's basically all that matters in college football...
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9288 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:17 am to
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Not the same SEC but yes it's bad.


The SEC is a pretty bad league. It wasn't then.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40890 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:19 am to
quote:

The SEC is a pretty bad league. It wasn't then.


Wut? The SEC has been much better the past 4 years than it was when Nutt was coach.
Posted by RazorHawg
Member since Aug 2013
24303 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:28 am to
Everyone in the west has been in the top four except us. Night and day to the Nutt years honestly plus we can't beat A&M since they joined.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13242 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 2:04 am to
Whenever Bert was hired, I stated he would be in between dale nutt and Petrino in wins. I still maintain that is about where he is at in coaching talent, and what he is capable of doing here.

Jeff Long is happy though. He has a nice coach that isn't a meanie and makes the Broyles complex so happy and rainbow filled.

ETA: Long is a carpet bagger, and I question his priorities in regards to having a truly competitive SEC football team. I believe his ideals with the balance of academics and athletics more aligns with other conferences.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 7:14 pm
Posted by Pigfeet
Ark Mods are Fascists
Member since Mar 2010
19783 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:12 am to
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I am done with this clown college staff and nonexistent philosophy. Fire Bert.


You want to fire a coach that may go 9-4?

C'mon man
Posted by TejasPete
Member since Dec 2013
1425 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:02 am to
quote:

We will lose to MSU, and quite possibly to Mizzou as well.


This team is soft and has quit


Maybe MSU but not Mizzou.

Is Les was coaching LSU we'd have won last night. Coach O deserves credit for motivating them coming off a tough Bama loss.

Still gets back to recruiting. We can't afford to be as weak as we are at LB and OL. No way in year 4 we should be scrambling to fill those positions.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37299 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 10:30 am to
I'm with you. Bye Belicia!

quote:

We're getting blown out by an interim coach who was terrible at his lone head coaching stop


I'm not that surprised by yesterday actually tho, those nimrods finally got rid of king nimrod, Les, and now suddenly they don't quit and act like pathetic wimps after Bama.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 10:36 am to
Top to bottom the west has never been this tough.

The league as a whole had more parity back then, but now it's the west and everyone else.
Posted by LOCO5150
NWA
Member since Sep 2011
4867 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Bert is 9-21 in SEC games with 2 games left to play. Nutt went 17-15 in SEC in his first 4 years.Let that sink in.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that put Bert at 24-24 overall now after that loss?
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12417 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 2:58 pm to
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You want to fire a coach that may go 9-4?

C'mon man


The way our team is playing and given the type of offense MSU runs, that game is hardly a gimme, especially with it being in Starkvegas.

Austin is obviously hurt and has been terrible since Auburn, we can't run the football, and we can't defend the run. We basically suck at 3/4ths of the game from scrimmage right now (pass offense; rush offense, rush defense).

Also, I wouldn't count on our bowl game being a gimme win until we see who our matchup is. The best we can hope for is a lower tier Big 12 team that can't run well. Kansas State anyone?

8-5 is a distinct possibility, though we could very well go 7-6 given what ails us right now. And I'm generally an optimistic Hog fan.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19352 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:05 pm to
Ken Hatfield has the best winning percentage of Arkansas coaches.Every year you could sit down and pencil in 8-10 wins easy.The problem was we rarely beat Texas or any quality out of conference opponent.


He went to seven bowls and lost six of them.

Now we are in the toughest division in college football and play bowl teams nearly every week with lower rated players than most those teams.

Until we recruit in the top ten consistently this is where we are, with the occasional big year.
No coach has been able to recruit like that in our program's history.It seems to be the nature of the beast.

I like Bret and hope he hangs around awhile.It wouldn't bother me to change the dc though.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:12 pm to
quote:


I like Bret and hope he hangs around awhile.It wouldn't bother me to change the dc though.


The problem will be if Bert is fired, they next coach will be a guy like Chad Morris because of his ties to Texas and the reset button is hit on the entire program, then when he's struggling to win 6-9 games in year four a demand for change will be building so the program can reset yet again.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16048 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:26 pm to
That's just it man look at tennesee and texas. They've had some down years and yeah, the guys they've got now probably aren't gonna work out, but you know in the bott of your heart they're gonna be back on top one day just like Michigan finally is because they aren't settling for safety, they're willing to hire a few duds and have seen shite seasons to find the one guy who's gonna take them over the top because 7 -8 win ceilings aren't acceptible there. They aren't complacent which is what many of our fans are right now and so they will settle with 6-8 consistent wins with beilama. I'm just not gonna do that. I witnessed what petrino did I saw us go toe to toe with alabama, lsu, auburn (yes I think we played well against cam actually) and Ohio state and 2010 and I know with the right coach we can again. Idk, maybe it's just because I didn't grow up a loser that being an average Joe isn't good enough for me, but that's the way I see it.
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11220 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:46 pm to
They'll be "back" because of their recruiting situations.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19352 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:49 pm to
If Petrino had stayed, we most likely would be calling for his head by now.He just happened to domino with talent after his first year

Quick fix coaches are good for the short term, but generally peter out.

I do like that tcu coach though.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16048 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:54 pm to
I'm not saying petrino would have been the guy or not (but considering he would have had both Allen brothers who are competent qbs I doubt he'd have had any losing seasons) I'm saying never settle for mediocrity no matter who it is
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13242 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:03 pm to
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If Petrino had stayed, we most likely would be calling for his head by now.

No. Petrino might be a prick, but he's also a Top 5 coach that demands excellence (on the field) from his players and coaches.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:40 pm to
quote:


They'll be "back" because of their recruiting situations.



Yes.

Just as Petrino's two good years were only because of the amazing instate class waiting for him when he was hired.

Just as Nutt only had success from instate players.

It hasn't been coaching, its been gathering all the instate pieces that are available and adding enough from out of state to compliment them and having it all mesh together.

Petrino running off top instate talent wasn't going to lead to long term success...
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16048 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:48 pm to
I'll say again. Petrino would have had the 2 Allen boys and would have recruited receivers well enough that our offense would always be one of the top in the league which would make us very difficult to stop. Not saying we wouldn't have Years like 09 where we lose a lot of shootouts but we would almost always be in the game and 5he years where we had a decent defense we would win a lot of games. I believe in 14 when we went to the Texas bowl had we still had Petrino we would've been in the playoffs. Those were mostly his recruits and our problem wasn't defense it was scoring under Chaney which I don't think we would have had a problem with under Bobby p
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