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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:18 pm to Hawgeye
quote:How is it hearsay when it's documented fact that people were calling him a racist decades ago? That proves your claim to be wrong.
That is great that you found that link, even though 95% of that is simply hearsay.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:19 pm to Pigfeet
It's okay, I'll educate the poor bastard.
-2010 Obama created his first budget. It in turn created nearly $1.6 trillion in debt. The most of any president we've ever had.
-2011 $1.3 trillion in debt
-2012 $1.09 trillion in debt
-2013 $680 billion, thanks to sequestration
-2014 $485 billion
-2015 $438 billion
-2016 $503 billion(7 months in)
Now, I left out 2009 as Bush can be credited with some of that. Still, he has added nearly $7 trillion in debt while he has been in office. All the while, he raise social security and Medicare costs. Not to mention he extended unemployment benefits which cost even more money, better known as ARRA. This also cut taxes, but he kept right on spending. He even set a record for the most money spent on defense, even though we had pulled troops out of Iraq, found Bin Laden, and declared the war on terror "over."
-2010 Obama created his first budget. It in turn created nearly $1.6 trillion in debt. The most of any president we've ever had.
-2011 $1.3 trillion in debt
-2012 $1.09 trillion in debt
-2013 $680 billion, thanks to sequestration
-2014 $485 billion
-2015 $438 billion
-2016 $503 billion(7 months in)
Now, I left out 2009 as Bush can be credited with some of that. Still, he has added nearly $7 trillion in debt while he has been in office. All the while, he raise social security and Medicare costs. Not to mention he extended unemployment benefits which cost even more money, better known as ARRA. This also cut taxes, but he kept right on spending. He even set a record for the most money spent on defense, even though we had pulled troops out of Iraq, found Bin Laden, and declared the war on terror "over."
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:21 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Where Hillary is getting creamed is with lower educated whites.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:25 pm to Hog on the Hill
It doesn't prove my claim is wrong.
You linked an article that's full of assumptions. Again, why does wanting rapists put to death automatically make them a racist? Would that not actually make the author of your link a racist? Does the author of your link assume that all rapists are black? Trump never stated in your link that "all rapists are black."
So, as you now try to google something to further your agenda...Myself and the world know that Hillary is in fact racist. She also hates the LGBTQ community, as she has stated many, many times in her past. She has never been for the equality of the gay community, until recently, of course.
So, Google away...We'll be waiting!
You linked an article that's full of assumptions. Again, why does wanting rapists put to death automatically make them a racist? Would that not actually make the author of your link a racist? Does the author of your link assume that all rapists are black? Trump never stated in your link that "all rapists are black."
So, as you now try to google something to further your agenda...Myself and the world know that Hillary is in fact racist. She also hates the LGBTQ community, as she has stated many, many times in her past. She has never been for the equality of the gay community, until recently, of course.
So, Google away...We'll be waiting!
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:27 pm to Hawgeye
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No they aren't. Its simple demographics. She will garner most of her votes from the poorest areas of America.
Source of image: LINK
Clinton wins support from the majority of college grads and post-grads by a very large margin.
If that's the case, how is it not true that "a significant portion of her supporters are" well-educated professionals?
quote:Facts are a good antidote to ignorance. Hopefully you'll take the medicine.
They're not too educated if they plan on voting for Hillary Clinton.
quote:The facts back me up.
That may be a good idea for yourself.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:28 pm to Hog on the Hill
You do understand how polls like that work, right?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:30 pm to Hawgeye
quote:How do they work?
You do understand how polls like that work, right?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:35 pm to Hog on the Hill
I would expect a self proclaimed educated person, surrounded by only educated friends to know this.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:36 pm to Hawgeye
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I would expect a self proclaimed educated person, surrounded by only educated friends to know this.
I read the poll methodology, did you?
Why don't you make your point?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:45 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I read the poll methodology, did you?
I did
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Why don't you make your point?
You know what the point is.
You're using something to back up your claim that only involved about 2200 people.
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Some of our surveys include additional, larger samples of subgroups, such as African Americans or young people (these are called “oversamples”). We also occasionally conduct surveys of people in particular states or regions, where our sample is limited to residents of these areas.
I mean, again, you know how these things work, right?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:47 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Please explain how a sample size of 2200 people is a problem.
You know what the point is.
You're using something to back up your claim that only involved about 2200 people.
quote:Same as above: how is this a problem?
I mean, again, you know how these things work, right?
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:49 pm to piggilicious
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:51 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Please explain how a sample size of 2200 people is a problem.
I thought you said you read their methodology?
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When interviewers reach someone on a landline phone, they randomly ask half the sample if they could speak with “the youngest male, 18 years of age or older, who is now at home” and the other half of the sample to speak with “the youngest female, 18 years of age or older, who is now at home.”
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:52 pm to Hawgeye
quote:I did. How is a sample size of 2200 a problem? You're deflecting.
I thought you said you read their methodology?
How is oversampling of African Americans a problem?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:55 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I did. How is a sample size of 2200 a problem? You're deflecting.
You seriously think I am deflecting?
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How is oversampling of African Americans a problem?
Look at your own poll and figure that out for yourself.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:58 pm to Hawgeye
So you're unable or unwilling to explain how a sample size of 2200 is a problem, and how oversampling is a problem. Why is that?
It's because you don't really know what you're talking about, and you're asking rhetorical questions instead of explaining yourself to avoid saying anything that proves your ignorance.
It's because you don't really know what you're talking about, and you're asking rhetorical questions instead of explaining yourself to avoid saying anything that proves your ignorance.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:03 pm to Hog on the Hill
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So you're unable or unwilling to explain how a sample size of 2200 is a problem, and how oversampling is a problem. Why is that?
It's because you don't really know what you're talking about, and you're asking rhetorical questions instead of explaining yourself to avoid saying anything that proves your ignorance.
Yes, you nailed it. Just ignore the facts I pulled from the pew centers own poll methodology. Oversampling one race is not an issue at all when 91% of the african americans they polled are democrats.
Surely you aren't that fricking stupid. Its not hard to figure out.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:06 pm to Hawgeye
As you bang away at your keyboard, why don't you attempt to defend your racist candidate and tell us why she does not hate the LGBTQ community. Which, up until this past year she has stated time and time again, she was not in favor of gay or lesbian marriage and she was not for equality.
I guess though, you could continue trying to figure out why an over sampling of African Americans in your poll is NOT a problem in your opinion.
I guess though, you could continue trying to figure out why an over sampling of African Americans in your poll is NOT a problem in your opinion.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:08 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Great, thank you for finally proving your ignorance about polling methodology.
Yes, you nailed it. Just ignore the facts I pulled from the pew centers own poll methodology. Oversampling one race is not an issue at all when 91% of the african americans they polled are democrats.
Surely you aren't that fricking stupid. Its not hard to figure out.
Oversampling actually makes polls MORE reliable, not less reliable, because they allow pollsters to include a larger sample size from a minority population in the poll. This reduces the margin of error for that minority group. It is important to note that an oversampled population is WEIGHTED in the final results, so if African Americans make up 13% of the US population, and 20% of the poll respondents, they are weighted so that they only represent 13% of the poll.
Pew explains this much better than I do on their website:
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For some surveys, it is important to ensure that there are enough members of a certain subgroup in the population so that more reliable estimates can be reported for that group. To do this, we oversample members of the subgroup by selecting more people from this group than would typically be done if everyone in the sample had an equal chance of being selected. Because the margin of sampling error is related to the size of the sample, increasing the sample size for a particular subgroup through the use of oversampling allows for estimates to be made with a smaller margin of error. A survey that includes an oversample weights the results so that members in the oversampled group are weighted to their actual proportion in the population; this allows for the overall survey results to represent both the national population and the oversampled subgroup.
For example, African Americans make up 13.6% of the total U.S. population, according to the U.S. Census. A survey with a sample size of 1,000 would only include approximately 136 African Americans. The margin of sampling error for African Americans then would be around 10.5 percentage points, resulting in estimates that could fall within a 21-point range, which is often too imprecise for many detailed analysis surveyors want to perform. In contrast, oversampling African Americans so that there are roughly 500 interviews completed with people in this group reduces the margin of sampling error to about 5.5 percentage points and improves the reliability of estimates that can be made. Unless a listed sample is available or people can be selected from prior surveys, oversampling a particular group usually involves incurring the additional costs associated with screening for eligible respondents.
Link to above quote: LINK
So again, what's wrong with oversampling?
Please explain how a sample size of 2200 is a problem.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 3:10 pm
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