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re: Hunting Dogs Serious Bidness--Star City Jury Awards 145K for Death of Dog
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:33 pm to Raz4back
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:33 pm to Raz4back
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I would have probably told the guys to get their dog and don't come back onto my property. If I had been having trouble I would have had them arrested for trespassing. The only way I would kill a dog is if it was attacking a person or another domesticated animal
I would have let them get their dogs and given them a warning to not let it happen again or I would prosecute. Coon hunting is done at night. It's not the best time to be on somebody's private property other than your own, not without permission.
I've let my hound run at night but I knew it was where she would be safe. She loves it. And she's never hurt any other person, animal, or thing.
But I hate to think what I would do to someone if they had done this to my dog. If they have a problem with me, confront me. This sick POS and worthless excuse for life takes it out on an innocent dog.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:36 pm
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:34 pm to Ole Geauxt
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also, when we hear or read a story, even though both sides are supposedly represented,,, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
You don't think maybe there was some cussin' and threatenin' from both sides of this do you
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:42 pm to Porky
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I've let my hound run at night but I knew it was where she would be safe. She loves it. And she's never hurt any other person, animal, or thing.
We let some guys run fox on our deer lease after deer season ends. We've also let a few hog doggers hunt. Most of the time people are pretty reasonable if you ask permission. It's the guys that we catch that don't ask first that we have a problem with. Not to mention, they can trespass on our land, get hurt, and then we can end up in court.
We did have a guy in our club shoot a dog once. It belonged to an 80 year old woman. She shot out every window in his truck, held a shotgun on him and made him write a check for the vet expenses and we gave him the boot
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:48 pm to Raz4back
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You don't think maybe there was some cussin' and threatenin' from both sides of this do you
And there was probably some heavy drinking involved. I don't hunt these days but when I did, it was either by myself or with someone I trusted who was sober.
I've been around guns and dogs my entire life. Guns and dogs aren't the problem. It's stupid people.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:50 pm to Raz4back
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We did have a guy in our club shoot a dog once. It belonged to an 80 year old woman. She shot out every window in his truck, held a shotgun on him and made him write a check for the vet expenses and we gave him the boot
Good!
He's lucky she didn't shoot him.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:09 pm to Raz4back
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You don't think maybe there was some cussin' and threatenin' from both sides of this do you
uh huhhhhh!!! like I said, I've been on both sides of this fence. heck, I've seen divorces, cow killins', fist fights and everything in between over dogs-no dogs..
as you know,, I've spent the vast majority of the last 25 years up in a climber with my bow,,, but the feud memories remain clear!!
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:16 pm to Ole Geauxt
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as you know,, I've spent the vast majority of the last 25 years up in a climber with my bow,,, but the feud memories remain clear!!
Ever hunt turkey with a bow?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:22 pm to Porky
I should clarify, I don't supporting shooting of the dog.
I just understand the anger directed at people hunting or running dogs on your private land. In general, I don't like dog-based deer hunting. Deer-trained hounds are routinely starved prior to the hunt, at least the ones I've seen. I don't like it.
I just understand the anger directed at people hunting or running dogs on your private land. In general, I don't like dog-based deer hunting. Deer-trained hounds are routinely starved prior to the hunt, at least the ones I've seen. I don't like it.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:24 pm to Porky
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Ever hunt turkey with a bow?
yes,,, maybe a couple times on purpose?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:39 pm to wmr
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I should clarify, I don't supporting shooting of the dog.
I just understand the anger directed at people hunting or running dogs on your private land. In general, I don't like dog-based deer hunting. Deer-trained hounds are routinely starved prior to the hunt, at least the ones I've seen. I don't like it.
I believe it's illegal (deer hunting with dogs) in most areas of Arkansas. I'm not sure where it's still legal. There may be exceptions for certain times but I'm not up on the laws with deer. In South Arkansas, there are so many deer that I can't understand why anyone would see the need to hunt with dogs in the first place.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:39 pm to Ole Geauxt
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yes,,, maybe a couple times on purpose?
I've killed a couple, but it was I was an opportunity killer. They strolled by while I was deer hunting. Too bad the AGFC outlawed fall turkey hunting 3 or 4 years ago
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I believe it's illegal (deer hunting with dogs) in most areas of Arkansas. I'm not sure where it's still legal. There may be exceptions for certain times but I'm not up on the laws with deer. In South Arkansas, there are so many deer that I can't understand why anyone would see the need to hunt with dogs in the first place.
It's still legal in south Arkansas. They outlawed it in other areas where the land is predominately privately owned and fragmented.
Guys in south Arkansas do it because the land is incredibly thick and late season after the deer have been pressured it gets really hard to see deer. For the same reasons its also next to impossible to kill mature bucks outside of the rut. The way I view it is that if a buck can live 4.5+ years with that kind of pressure he deserves better than to be run out of his bed by a bunch of dogs and shot at by a bunch of guys that are apt to take unethical shots at him.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:48 pm to Raz4back
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was an opportunity killer. They strolled by while I was deer hunting. Too bad the AGFC outlawed fall turkey hunting 3 or 4 years ago
yup, wuz wut I wuz refurrin' to. I do remember climbing a couple times for JUST hogs/turkey though. a couple,,, not a few.. learned real quick to draw on the last bird,, cause, bunched up in the fall, there were a whole lot of 360 degreein' eyes and heads. too many times, what I thought was the last bird,,,,, wasn't!!
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:54 pm to Raz4back
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It's still legal in south Arkansas. They outlawed it in other areas where the land is predominately privately owned and fragmented.
A friend of mine has a large tract of land in South Arkansas and they are all over the place. That's where I let my hound air out her vocal cords. The turkey there drive her nuts. They are a real challenge to hunt from what I understand.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:55 pm to Ole Geauxt
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there were a whole lot of 360 degreein' eyes and heads
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:07 pm to Porky
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they are a real challenge to hunt from what I understand
Like the old Indian saying goes
"A deer sees a man and thinks its a stump, a turkey sees a stump and thinks its a man"
Most people that spring turkey hunt with a bow use ground blinds. It would be really tough to draw on a gobbler that was coming to your calling looking for a hen. Like Geauxt, it's even tough to be 20ft up in a tree and draw on one that's casually feeding through the woods.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:52 pm to Raz4back
old cun fewshus said: "idle man encounters a stump and thinks, that's a dang good place to sit fer a spell"..
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:10 pm to Litigator
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In the criminal case in Monroe County last year, Newby was convicted of a misdemeanor, fined, and sentenced to six months in jail.
Seriously?
That's the strongest charge they could come up with?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:54 pm to Rebelgator
The only step up within the scope of the animal cruelty laws would have been aggravated animal cruelty which is a felony but it would have required torture of the dog such as dragging it behind a truck, etc.
Depending on the value of the dog they could have charged criminal mischief and it becomes a felony if there is purposeful damage to property of another with a value of $500 or more. That carries punishment of 3-10 years imprisonment and/or a fine not exceeding 10K.
There potentially could have been some type of assault charge for firing the gun around the owner but for it to get up to the felony level it would most likely require pointing the gun at the owner or actually shooting at him.
Assuming he was convicted of misdemeanor animal cruelty (the article doesn't specify the specific misdemeanor) it carries a punishment range of up to one year in the county jail and/or up to a $1,000 fine.
Depending on the value of the dog they could have charged criminal mischief and it becomes a felony if there is purposeful damage to property of another with a value of $500 or more. That carries punishment of 3-10 years imprisonment and/or a fine not exceeding 10K.
There potentially could have been some type of assault charge for firing the gun around the owner but for it to get up to the felony level it would most likely require pointing the gun at the owner or actually shooting at him.
Assuming he was convicted of misdemeanor animal cruelty (the article doesn't specify the specific misdemeanor) it carries a punishment range of up to one year in the county jail and/or up to a $1,000 fine.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:14 am to Raz4back
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My point is that the dog owners share in the responsibility.
The frick?
The owner had leashed his dog and was attempting to vacate the property. Newby was just a trigger-happy wannabe cowboy.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:25 pm to Feral
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The owner had leashed his dog and was attempting to vacate the property. Newby was just a trigger-happy wannabe cowboy.
The owner was also breaking the law by trespassing, I don't see why you want to give him a free pass for it.
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My whole point from the first time I posted was that dog owners have a responsibility to keep their dogs off of other people's property
You don't agree with this?
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 12:33 pm
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