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Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:50 am to Latarian
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:50 am to Latarian
Mike Sherman inherited a Fran mess at A&M. He had embarrassing losses, blew huge leads, and after four years he was 25-25. They fired his arse, yet our guy acts stunned that people would even be wondering about possible staff changes. He's clueless.
Also, I guess the most comparable situation would be Baylor. They currently have 2 recruits committed for this class. If they do hire Chad Morris I can guess that he will be over .500 after year four.
Also, I guess the most comparable situation would be Baylor. They currently have 2 recruits committed for this class. If they do hire Chad Morris I can guess that he will be over .500 after year four.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:52 am to Arkansasrazorback
Yeah they fired his arse for another guy they want to fire 4 years later. See how this works?
Also we'll wait on Baylor but it'll be a similar situation. using hypotheticals is pointless.
Also we'll wait on Baylor but it'll be a similar situation. using hypotheticals is pointless.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:57 am to Latarian
Not exactly the same, but I'm not going to pretend and make excuses for Bert's shortcomings.
Off of the top of my head, Bill Snyder comes to mind, Gary Patterson?
Bert's not getting it done and next year will be more of the same. I hope I'm wrong, just like I was wrong about this year (5-7), but a couple of plays here and there, and I could have been right. Ifs and buts, is what I say about that.
Off of the top of my head, Bill Snyder comes to mind, Gary Patterson?
Bert's not getting it done and next year will be more of the same. I hope I'm wrong, just like I was wrong about this year (5-7), but a couple of plays here and there, and I could have been right. Ifs and buts, is what I say about that.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:59 am to Latarian
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Yeah they fired his arse for another guy they want to fire 4 years later. See how this works?
This is the similar argument used by the Nutt supporters when people debated on whether he should be fired.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:05 am to Latarian
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Yeah they fired his arse for another guy they want to fire 4 years later. See how this works?
Yes. It was obvious he couldn't get it done, so they wanted to give someone a chance who they thought may be able to get it done. After five years, it has become apparent that he can't either so time to give someone else a shot. They want Sumlin canned for always shitting the bed in October/November and finishing 8-4. Meanwhile, our coach is not even good enough to achieve 8 regular season wins despite having 3 teams with the potential to do so.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:10 am to Arkansasrazorback
Just to be clear, I have never called for Bert to be fired this year, but I think next year should be the time to make a decision on the future of the program
Continue with Bert or make the change. I just wish Jeff Long wasn't the guy to make the hire if Bert gets shite canned, which I highly doubt.
Continue with Bert or make the change. I just wish Jeff Long wasn't the guy to make the hire if Bert gets shite canned, which I highly doubt.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:15 am to Pigfeet
I'm saying all of this with the understanding we're stuck with him for a bit. I agree about next year. The expectation, even though it obviously won't be, should be "win 9 regular season games and no blowout losses or you're fired."
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:20 am to Arkansasrazorback
So you suggest we fire Bert, essentially start all the way the over and be at 9-10 wins within two years and stay there. Okay buddy
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:28 am to Arkansasrazorback
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I'm saying all of this with the understanding we're stuck with him for a bit
Me too. I just don't feel like I'll ever have much confidence in him (the team) going forward, I realize it's any given Sunday (Saturday in our case) but we go from competent looking to looking like refried crap week by week. It's annoying as hell. The previous few seasons at least we improved drastically as the season wore on but this season our last game looked equivalent to season openers of years past.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:29 am to Latarian
I don't expect to "stay" at 9-10 wins, but I do expect to win that many every few years when you have a team capable of doing so. You know like when you have a third year starter at QB, a talented, experienced offense, and "the best defensive line I've ever coached." I don't expect to lose to MAC teams in those years.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:36 am to Arkansasrazorback
Look, I am at the end of my rope with Bert as many others seem to be as well, but firing him isn't going to do anything but set the program back.
What we need, is for Dumplin' to get rid of Smith and Segrest and lets see what happens for a season. The defensive cupboard is not totally bare and I refuse to accept that we do not have any talent on that side of the ball, like it has looked the last two seasons. There is blown assignments by good players all the time, but when a team gets gashed game after game, the only legitimate conclusion that can be made is that it is scheme and coaching.
While the DB's decided to get their asses burned the last week of the season, for the most part, there was marked improvement on that side of the ball with a new face coaching them. As a former player, there comes a point when even the players lose faith in the scheme and alignment they are running. It is a mindset. "You mean you are still lining us up like this even after we have given up 30 points in this exact same alignment" type of crap. It then becomes mental with kids and then you have completely lost them.
When our defense quit this year, I don't think they quit because they just wanted to quit, they quit because they had no faith in what they were told to do was going to work. If that makes sense. Yes, they are 18-23 year olds. They aren't stupid. They are game smart and they understand what works and what doesn't.
Go out, find a new DC or upgrade Rhoads to DC and find a new DL coach. With the improvement Ive seen from the DBs over the season, I wouldn't mind Rhoads getting his shot at DC, if he wants it.
If Rhoads doesn't want the DC spot, throw the bank at Jim Leavitt. He can defend the spread and he can defend the power run as well. Colorado is 13th overall in total defense(323), 13th in scoring defense(18), 33rd against the run(133.5), and 20th against the pass(187). We have got to have a DC who is proven on stopping spread, HUNH teams.
We can be pro style on offense all we want, but until we get a DC that can figure out how to stop Auburn, Alabama, aTm, Ole Miss, etc. type of offenses, we aren't going to win that many games. As a whole, the league will be mostly Spread, read option, HUNH type of teams going into next season. LSU likely only hired EdO because he said he would change offensive philosophy. This means you can add LSU to the mix of running some sort of read option, spread type of offense. Which, likely leaves only Arkansas and Georgia as the only true pro style type of offenses.
What we need, is for Dumplin' to get rid of Smith and Segrest and lets see what happens for a season. The defensive cupboard is not totally bare and I refuse to accept that we do not have any talent on that side of the ball, like it has looked the last two seasons. There is blown assignments by good players all the time, but when a team gets gashed game after game, the only legitimate conclusion that can be made is that it is scheme and coaching.
While the DB's decided to get their asses burned the last week of the season, for the most part, there was marked improvement on that side of the ball with a new face coaching them. As a former player, there comes a point when even the players lose faith in the scheme and alignment they are running. It is a mindset. "You mean you are still lining us up like this even after we have given up 30 points in this exact same alignment" type of crap. It then becomes mental with kids and then you have completely lost them.
When our defense quit this year, I don't think they quit because they just wanted to quit, they quit because they had no faith in what they were told to do was going to work. If that makes sense. Yes, they are 18-23 year olds. They aren't stupid. They are game smart and they understand what works and what doesn't.
Go out, find a new DC or upgrade Rhoads to DC and find a new DL coach. With the improvement Ive seen from the DBs over the season, I wouldn't mind Rhoads getting his shot at DC, if he wants it.
If Rhoads doesn't want the DC spot, throw the bank at Jim Leavitt. He can defend the spread and he can defend the power run as well. Colorado is 13th overall in total defense(323), 13th in scoring defense(18), 33rd against the run(133.5), and 20th against the pass(187). We have got to have a DC who is proven on stopping spread, HUNH teams.
We can be pro style on offense all we want, but until we get a DC that can figure out how to stop Auburn, Alabama, aTm, Ole Miss, etc. type of offenses, we aren't going to win that many games. As a whole, the league will be mostly Spread, read option, HUNH type of teams going into next season. LSU likely only hired EdO because he said he would change offensive philosophy. This means you can add LSU to the mix of running some sort of read option, spread type of offense. Which, likely leaves only Arkansas and Georgia as the only true pro style type of offenses.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:38 am to Arkansasrazorback
Was that the year we finished with a top 10 defense? If so he's probably right.
We should've won 10 last year, unfortunately took the team a while to gel under Enos hence losing 3 winnable games early. shite happens.
We fire him and we are fricking our program worse than it is now, and look around, not a whole lot of happy fan bases in the SEC right now. We aren't unique.
We should've won 10 last year, unfortunately took the team a while to gel under Enos hence losing 3 winnable games early. shite happens.
We fire him and we are fricking our program worse than it is now, and look around, not a whole lot of happy fan bases in the SEC right now. We aren't unique.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:49 am to Hawgeye
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Look, I am at the end of my rope with Bert as many others seem to be as well, but firing him isn't going to do anything but set the program back.
I agree. Oh the shine is off Bert, don't get me wrong, but firing him now does nothing but take a lot of money out of our pockets. Let us see what changes he makes in the defense for next year. If we roll out another craptacular defense then its time to find another HC.
Bert likes to gamble. Well next season he'd best play the cards he is dealt really well or the third season of Being Bret Bielema is going to be following him as he interviews for a new job.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:51 am to Latarian
Excluding Alabama, we are about a game to 1/2 game within striking distance of the rest of the league.
Everyone is an 8 win or 7 win team this season in the league. Nobody is impressive outside of Alabama. Using Alabama as your barometer for what you want your program to be at the current time, is unattainable. They are in the midst of one of the greatest runs in CFB of all time. Basically, just wait out Saban leaving their program and see where we are at. I suppose.
Everyone is an 8 win or 7 win team this season in the league. Nobody is impressive outside of Alabama. Using Alabama as your barometer for what you want your program to be at the current time, is unattainable. They are in the midst of one of the greatest runs in CFB of all time. Basically, just wait out Saban leaving their program and see where we are at. I suppose.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:23 am to Hawgeye
I'm fine with someone saying "Bret isn't getting it done so far and the results aren't acceptable, but I think he's close to getting over the hump" - that's not very far from where I am myself.
What gets me is the fans who act like Bert's record here is perfectly acceptable and can't understand why so many are calling for his head
What gets me is the fans who act like Bert's record here is perfectly acceptable and can't understand why so many are calling for his head
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:44 am to The Sultan of Swine
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I'm fine with someone saying "Bret isn't getting it done so far and the results aren't acceptable, but I think he's close to getting over the hump" - that's not very far from where I am myself.
What gets me is the fans who act like Bert's record here is perfectly acceptable and can't understand why so many are calling for his head
That pretty well sums it up I think.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:07 am to The Sultan of Swine
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We fire him and we are fricking our program worse than it is now, and look around, not a whole lot of happy fan bases in the SEC right now. We aren't unique.
Gus, Sumlin, Butch and Freezus are all on the hot seat for next year. Ole Piss is fricked with the NCAA.
Just not a huge pool of legit coaches out there that can come in immediately and win 9-10 games in the west.
If Bert can pull his fat stubborn head out of his arse and right the defensive ship, we could be right back in the hunt for 2nd in the west.
FWIW
Charlie Partrige has been shitcanned at FAU
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:17 am to Arksulli
I want him to succeed, but at this point it is doubtful for me.
However there is a whole lot of truth to how many fan bases in the SEC are actually happy with their coach.
Rumlin is close to being gone, Malzahn hung on by the skin of his teeth. Beaver, those teeth are wearing thin, LSU hired a retread, Mullins is a good coach at a pathetic school, Yellow Wood at Florida doesn't impress me at all,
We would most likely be set back again. But being set back from barely over 50% isn't far enough to be set back to not make a change in the next couple of years..
But the Irony in this is ... How much this board has changed in 2 days. From "Fire Butterball Now" to... "Well, we have the players and we just need...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:19 am to ArHog
I get that people are bitching about the "hump" and his ability over it.
This reminds me of Stan Heath's tenure. Came into a program in disarray, set many marks for the worst, hit the infamous hump and was fired. None of the candidates to replace him would have done better, but all offered a change in offense. The guy who got the job did not better than Stan would have done and ended up putting the program back in disarray while racking up worst ever losses.
There is no sure thing out there right now, fleck? Is he the next Doren, can't miss who hasn't provided a quick turn around at his p5 job?
Use to be the mid-major coach had to prove himself over a span of seasons, like Meyer/Petersen did, now mid-majors are landing big jobs for having a good season (Freeze, Gus, Herman, etc). This has led to big contracts in the coaches favor for unknown and largely unproven talent. What's worse is the teams going after coordinators who normally should have no reason to hire coordinators, but this unknown is fired as a safer gamble then the hot midmajor name (smart, muschamp, etc) call this the dabo effect. Now LSU has eroded it even further by gambling on a position coach.
It's amazing if you think about it.
This reminds me of Stan Heath's tenure. Came into a program in disarray, set many marks for the worst, hit the infamous hump and was fired. None of the candidates to replace him would have done better, but all offered a change in offense. The guy who got the job did not better than Stan would have done and ended up putting the program back in disarray while racking up worst ever losses.
There is no sure thing out there right now, fleck? Is he the next Doren, can't miss who hasn't provided a quick turn around at his p5 job?
Use to be the mid-major coach had to prove himself over a span of seasons, like Meyer/Petersen did, now mid-majors are landing big jobs for having a good season (Freeze, Gus, Herman, etc). This has led to big contracts in the coaches favor for unknown and largely unproven talent. What's worse is the teams going after coordinators who normally should have no reason to hire coordinators, but this unknown is fired as a safer gamble then the hot midmajor name (smart, muschamp, etc) call this the dabo effect. Now LSU has eroded it even further by gambling on a position coach.
It's amazing if you think about it.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:35 am to Razorback Reverend
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But the Irony in this is ... How much this board has changed in 2 days. From "Fire Butterball Now" to... "Well, we have the players and we just need...
I think its more... we're stuck with Big Bert for at least another year. Either he coaches like his job is on the line in every game or he's looking for another gig at the end of next season.
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