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Can anyone tell me the last time...
Posted on 11/26/16 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 8:26 pm
An Arkansas head coach had a winning percentage equal to or below Bert's through their first 4 seasons? Has it ever happened?
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 8:30 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Bert is a coach of Firsts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 8:35 pm to Pigfeet
Before yesterday, Missouri was like 1-14 in their last 15 SEC games. That level of shittiness is, not surprisingly, only exceeded by Bret Bielema's start to his Arkansas tenure.
ETA: and the shittiness I just referenced apparently convinced our AD to lock us into him until the end of time.
ETA: and the shittiness I just referenced apparently convinced our AD to lock us into him until the end of time.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:32 pm to The Sultan of Swine
And the answer is... no one.
No. Seriously. We've had more then our share of piss poor coaches but none lasted 4 years before we shite canned them.
The closest we get is Fred Thompsen from 1929-1941 who boasted a winning percentage in conference over his time of .387 which manages to beat Bert's .312.
The good news is that Bert holds a slight edge on Thompsen in overall wins at .500 to .480.
Danny Ford and John Barnhill both had slightly better win totals in conference and overall.
So as far as in conference winning percentage with at least three years... Bert takes dead last I think.
Hugo Bezdek pisses on him from great heights.
No. Seriously. We've had more then our share of piss poor coaches but none lasted 4 years before we shite canned them.
The closest we get is Fred Thompsen from 1929-1941 who boasted a winning percentage in conference over his time of .387 which manages to beat Bert's .312.
The good news is that Bert holds a slight edge on Thompsen in overall wins at .500 to .480.
Danny Ford and John Barnhill both had slightly better win totals in conference and overall.
So as far as in conference winning percentage with at least three years... Bert takes dead last I think.
Hugo Bezdek pisses on him from great heights.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:45 pm to Arksulli
And some are acting as if we shouldn't expect more. The standard has always been set higher than what we are currently getting. The conference is incredibly weak right now by SEC standards too
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:51 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Expect whatever you want but firing a head coach every 3-4 years is fricking dumb. Other coaches see that a guy can increase his win total year over year for 4 years (this year will be flat) gets you canned. They'd flock here I tell you.
Now Robb Smith on the other hand should go, but that's because he's a DC
Now Robb Smith on the other hand should go, but that's because he's a DC
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:55 pm to The Sultan of Swine
How many had a lame duck that didn't recruit and got blown out by everyone in conference the year before?
Not saying I'm ok with losing to Missouri or how bad our defense is, but surely that can have an effect.
Not saying I'm ok with losing to Missouri or how bad our defense is, but surely that can have an effect.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:03 pm to Arksulli
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And the answer is... no one.
No. Seriously. We've had more then our share of piss poor coaches but none lasted 4 years before we shite canned them.
The closest we get is Fred Thompsen from 1929-1941 who boasted a winning percentage in conference over his time of .387 which manages to beat Bert's .312.
The good news is that Bert holds a slight edge on Thompsen in overall wins at .500 to .480.
Danny Ford and John Barnhill both had slightly better win totals in conference and overall.
So as far as in conference winning percentage with at least three years... Bert takes dead last I think.
Hugo Bezdek pisses on him from great heights.
Ford was 22-23-1 after year 4, so his winning percentage is a tad worse at that point that Bert's.
However, he shites on Bert when it comes to winning percentage in SEC play after 4 years. Ford's conference record was 14-18-1 after 4 years, whereas Bert is currently at 10-22.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:06 pm to Feral
I'm no historian but wasn't the West basically dog shite in the early 90s?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:08 pm to Latarian
Yes
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:10 pm to TheCheshireHog
wish we'd give him a Cadillac to drive to Tennessee
where he'd of course bring them to 10 win seasons immediately
where he'd of course bring them to 10 win seasons immediately
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:19 pm to Latarian
It's basically dog shite this season. The Sugar Bowl is literally going to have to take a four loss team.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:21 pm to Latarian
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I'm no historian but wasn't the West basically dog shite in the early 90s?
Yes
Meh, I'd argue it's pretty similar to what it's been the last few years.
Bama was rolling under Stallings and won a NC in 1992. Auburn was pretty good with Bowden (never won fewer than 8 games) and went undefeated in 1993. Tuberville was at Ole Miss and they weren't an easy out. Jackie Sherrill's MSU teams were similar to Mullen's - a few pretty good years and better than their program average.
The real lone disparity between the 1990s SEC West and the present day is LSU, since they were helmed by Hallman and DiNardo in the throughput the decade and pretty terrible. Hopefully that returns with Orgeron.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:37 pm to Feral
Sherrill and Tubberville both had a lower conference winning % than Mullen and Freeze. You also didn't have A&M.
It's just a different beast over the last decade than it was when we first joined. The absurd amount of money coming in isn't going to change that anytime soon either.
It's just a different beast over the last decade than it was when we first joined. The absurd amount of money coming in isn't going to change that anytime soon either.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:41 am to Latarian
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Expect whatever you want but firing a head coach every 3-4 years is fricking dumb.
Strawman. No one his arguing for firing a coach every 3-4 years. Some are arguing for firing Bert after 4 years because of his poor results.
Are you saying it's never a good idea to fire a coach after 4 years? What should a coach, in general, need to accomplish at Arkansas withing 4 years to keep his job?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:06 am to The Sultan of Swine
This is actually a good question. What are the expectations?
My opinion on Bert is still reserved. He hasn't regressed on the win-loss front, but we haven't exactly improved (I'm assuming a win in the bowl game), and I'm a bit alarmed at how we lost the games that we lost this year. I've accepted that he will be here for at least two more years before the buyout is reasonable, so I hope he is able to turn it around somehow, though I'm not sure if I see the way ahead. Though thankfully, I'm not the one coaching. He is.
Personally, I think expectations should be to make a consistent improvement every year in the W/L area, and ideally, by year 4 or 5 you should be averaging 9 wins a year. I would be happy with averaging a 9-3 season (not including bowl). I think that gives a coach reasonable time to get his players and his system in place while providing breathing room for adjustments.
My opinion on Bert is still reserved. He hasn't regressed on the win-loss front, but we haven't exactly improved (I'm assuming a win in the bowl game), and I'm a bit alarmed at how we lost the games that we lost this year. I've accepted that he will be here for at least two more years before the buyout is reasonable, so I hope he is able to turn it around somehow, though I'm not sure if I see the way ahead. Though thankfully, I'm not the one coaching. He is.
Personally, I think expectations should be to make a consistent improvement every year in the W/L area, and ideally, by year 4 or 5 you should be averaging 9 wins a year. I would be happy with averaging a 9-3 season (not including bowl). I think that gives a coach reasonable time to get his players and his system in place while providing breathing room for adjustments.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:30 am to Latarian
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Expect whatever you want but firing a head coach every 3-4 years is fricking dumb. Other coaches see that a guy can increase his win total year over year for 4 years (this year will be flat) gets you canned. They'd flock here I tell you.
The flip side to this argument is that a young, motivated, coach would take the job and work day and night to get the results that should be required.
I understand the market, but giving coaches that have a "resume" these incentive free contracts, with large buyouts is just absurd. But this is what you get when you run the the Program like politicians run DC.
A private business would never accept his results.
Its a double edged sword regardless. I say we stick with him through next year, but we deep down, we know that next year is looking like a repeat of this year, or worse.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:27 am to Pigfeet
A private business wouldn't accept him growing profits (wins) every year since being hired? And yes, this year would be flat but still:
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:31 am to Latarian
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Thats his bar, not the markets.
We can all agree that the break even should be 8 wins. He's failed to make progress for 4 years.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 7:32 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:34 am to Pigfeet
Can we also agree he took over a dumpster fire that took two years to correct? Seriously, find me a comparable situation where a coach was fired in the spring and an interim took over (and literally didn't recruit).
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