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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:28 am to Feral
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:28 am to Feral
I was at the Western Illinois game and we're lucky we didn't lose to an FCS team in Petrino's first game.
I think he usually gets a pass for 2008 because we beat Lsu and most of our fans are retarded and think that is some huge accomplishment.
I think he usually gets a pass for 2008 because we beat Lsu and most of our fans are retarded and think that is some huge accomplishment.
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:31 am to Stonehog
And ULM
Took a fourth down play to win that one.
We were staring 3 wins solidly in the face with 2 very lucky wins
Took a fourth down play to win that one.
We were staring 3 wins solidly in the face with 2 very lucky wins
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:37 am to Stonehog
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I was at the Western Illinois game and we're lucky we didn't lose to an FCS team in Petrino's first game.
Ditto. I remember thinking "holy crap, we're going to lose to an FCS team and the Nutt lovers are going to have a field day."
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And ULM
Took a fourth down play to win that one.
We were staring 3 wins solidly in the face with 2 very lucky wins
Was at this one, too. Both of those games took miracle plays by Casey Dick (who knew?).
I left that game and told my wife "don't get too excited, this is going to be a loooooooong season."
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:11 am to Hawgeye
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We were staring 3 wins solidly in the face with 2 very lucky wins
Couuld have but we didn't. We should have beat LSU and Miss St this year but BB sucks dick at game management. Hey let's fake punt up 7 two minutes before halftime.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:31 pm to Feral
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why does everyone criticize Bielema's first year while simultaneously throwing out 2008 for Petrino
A big part of it is the head scratching choices the staff made this year. The fake punts, onside kicks, fourth down attempts , etc.
I don't blame Bielema for the poor talent level, but I honestly feel like the coaching staff cost this team a minimum of two wins with bad decisions. I'm not necessarily down on Bielema, but I'm not sold on him either. I'm trying to stay cautiously optimistic.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:18 pm to Raz4back
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A big part of it is the head scratching choices the staff made this year. The fake punts, onside kicks, fourth down attempts , etc
people are naturally risk averse
those plays were risky. people naturally wish we would have avoided them. had they worked, we'd be singing 2B's praises. Just like we sung Petrino praises when his 4th down call against ULM succeeded
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:54 pm to Hawgeye
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You're short sighted and let your Nutt hate get in the way. I hate the man also, but.....The roster was left with more talent when Nutt left versus when Petrino left. Especially on the defensive side of the ball and offensive line.
Like who? We didn't have shite. Petrino got lucky with a great Arkansas class that made up all of our best years basically, but Nutt didn't really leave anything of note behind. We were going to be real bad in 2008-10 if Nutt stayed. He would've been fired for sucking worse than normal by 2010 at the very latest. Not to mention the fact that the SEC was much harder overall during the last few years vs. Nutts tenure.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:07 pm to UltimateHog
1) Petrino left us with a thin roster. The 2012 season would have probably been decent if he was around (8-9 wins) but would not live up to a top 10 preseason ranking
2) 2013 would have been bad even for Petrino. Like mentioned in 1), the roster was extremely thin. We had no depth in key positions, Brandon Allen is proving that he probably would not be all that good even in a system built for QB's, and we had no great WR's for him to throw to anyways. Think Petrino working a first year Casey Dick, not a Tyler Wilson.
3) Most imporantly - not enough mention in this thread on what the John L. Smith bridge year did to this team. A group of unmotivated coaches and no depth pretty much fricked us for a few years to come.
2) 2013 would have been bad even for Petrino. Like mentioned in 1), the roster was extremely thin. We had no depth in key positions, Brandon Allen is proving that he probably would not be all that good even in a system built for QB's, and we had no great WR's for him to throw to anyways. Think Petrino working a first year Casey Dick, not a Tyler Wilson.
3) Most imporantly - not enough mention in this thread on what the John L. Smith bridge year did to this team. A group of unmotivated coaches and no depth pretty much fricked us for a few years to come.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:37 pm to SunHog
I have no idea what "would have been, could have been, or should have been" with Petrino. I do know he made our program much more successful than it had been in the recent past. As far as Bielema's future at Arkansas, I don't have a clue. All I know is that last year's team was the least competitive of any I can remember and I've been a Razorback fan for a very long time. I will not partake of any more Kool-Aid...not after last year. Having said that, I do hope next year's team is very successful.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:39 pm to Raz4back
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A big part of it is the head scratching choices the staff made this year. The fake punts, onside kicks, fourth down attempts , etc.
I don't blame Bielema for the poor talent level, but I honestly feel like the coaching staff cost this team a minimum of two wins with bad decisions. I'm not necessarily down on Bielema, but I'm not sold on him either. I'm trying to stay cautiously optimistic.
Yeah, but we were also essentially playing with nothing to lose. JLS gets crushed -- rightfully so -- for kicking a field goal against LSU; in my mind, I'm fine with taking risks because it's not like we were ever going anywhere this season. A fake punt or an onside kick isn't anymore deadly to us than the terrible depth we had, and we were playing all year with one hand tied behind our backs.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:44 pm to Porky
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I have no idea what "would have been, could have been, or should have been" with Petrino. I do know he made our program much more successful than it had been in the recent past. As far as Bielema's future at Arkansas, I don't have a clue. All I know is that last year's team was the least competitive of any I can remember and I've been a Razorback fan for a very long time. I will not partake of any more Kool-Aid...not after last year. Having said that, I do hope next year's team is very successful.
Least competitive? Yeah, because we were starting two walk-on seniors and a true freshman at linebacker, and our secondary was thinner than Kate Moss on a diet.
Understanding that Bielema inherited arguably the most talent/depth deficient roster of the last 30 years does not equate to "drinking the kool-aid." Jeebus H., does anyone in our fan base know anything about football other than "DURRRRRR 2010 and 2011 WERE FUN DURRRRR." Bret Bielema didn't just suddenly turn into a bad football coach overnight, just as Bobby Petrino didn't in 2008.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:01 pm to Feral
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Least competitive? Yeah, because we were starting two walk-on seniors and a true freshman at linebacker, and our secondary was thinner than Kate Moss on a diet.
Can you tell me one that was less competitive in the past 50 years? 1990 and 1992 are close.
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Understanding that Bielema inherited arguably the most talent/depth deficient roster of the last 30 years does not equate to "drinking the kool-aid." Jeebus H., does anyone in our fan base know anything about football other than "DURRRRRR 2010 and 2011 WERE FUN DURRRRR." Bret Bielema didn't just suddenly turn into a bad football coach overnight, just as Bobby Petrino didn't in 2008.
I drank the Kool-Aid. Maybe you saw what was coming. I didn't, not until the Samford game. At that point, I could see the problem. If we don't get some better talent at QB this year, I'm not expecting any significant level of improvement on offense.
Our defensive secondary couldn't be much worse than last year so I guess I feel pretty good about that. Regarding next year and our level of competence, I think we'll know something early on. I do have hope.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:16 pm to Feral
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Yeah, but we were also essentially playing with nothing to lose. JLS gets crushed -- rightfully so -- for kicking a field goal against LSU; in my mind, I'm fine with taking risks because it's not like we were ever going anywhere this season. A fake punt or an onside kick isn't anymore deadly to us than the terrible depth we had, and we were playing all year with one hand tied behind our backs.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think that people's perception was that he gambled in bad situations. It's a catch 22 in that he was playing aggressively with nothing to lose, but the team didn't have the ability nor the mental toughness to overcome the adversity created by these failed trick plays.
Where I do disagree is with the onside kick attempts. Essentially our defense was so bad that they had to contain (which they didn't do very well
) and hope the other team made mistakes. Shortening the field allowed teams to score in less plays decreasing the chances of a mistake. IMO its not worth the low odds of success to gamble with field position when the defense was so poor.Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:56 pm to Hubbhogg
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Like who? We didn't have shite. Petrino got lucky with a great Arkansas class that made up all of our best years basically, but Nutt didn't really leave anything of note behind. We were going to be real bad in 2008-10 if Nutt stayed. He would've been fired for sucking worse than normal by 2010 at the very latest. Not to mention the fact that the SEC was much harder overall during the last few years vs. Nutts tenure.
You're high as a kite if you think Nutt left the cupboard as bare as what Petrino left it. ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball and on the Oline.
I don't know if you've never noticed, but Petrino nor his Oline coach were worth a shite at developing linemen. Look at what Nutt brought in and left on the OLine. Solid core. That shite wasn't left when Petrino left.
Look at the CB and LB situation....hell, look at all the defensive players that contributed. Petrino left nothing, zero, zilch, on the defensive side of the ball.
We had walk ons playing significant time on defense this year. That should tell you nothing was left.
When Nutt left, these contributors were on roster on defense...
DE- Adrian Davis
CB- Isaac Madison
CB- Jamar Love
CB- Ramon Broadway
CB- Jerrell Norton
CB- Greg Gatson
MLB- Jerry Franklin
MLB- Jermaine Love
OLB- Wendell Davis
FS- Matt Harris
DE- Demario Ambrose
DT- Ernest Mitchell
DE- Jake Bequette
DT- Patrick Jones
DT- Malcolm Sheppard
These were left on offense...
RB- Michael Smith
FB- Van Stumon
OL- Grant Cook
OL- Jonathan Luigs
OL- Seth Oxner(transfered)
OL- Wade Grayson
OL- Demarcus Love
OL- Mitch Petrus
OL- Ray Dominguez
OL- Grant Freeman
TE- Ben Cleveland
TE- Andrew Davie
TE- DJ Williams
WR- London Crawford
WR- Lucas Miller
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:22 am to SunHog
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