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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:07 pm to Porky
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Until the Razorbacks start winning a decent number of SEC football games, Jeff Long will catch flack.
Which is beyond short-sighted. When it comes to coaches, his job is to bring in top level coaches, make sure to retain them if the win for us in the way we want or fire them if they don't.
So far he has hired a top 10 football coach and locked him up to a contract that was going to keep him here for a long time, he brought home the peoples choice for basketball who was also extremely qualified with sweet 16 and elite 8 appearances as a head coach and then hired a top 15 head coach for football with 3 previous BCS appearances. One more than the top 10 coach had.
While doing that he has brought our support facilities out of the Stone Age and to a level where we can finally go toe to toe with the elite in the conference on the level.
If Bielema continues to lose and is still here in 5-7 years then you would have a legitimate gripe. However, he hasn't shown yet that he is afraid to fire a coach that isn't getting it done.
Some of our fans act like he's cool with paying Bielema to go 0-8 for the next 10 years as long as he can continue to have a refreshing Pepsi product in his skybox while laughing at all the poors at his feet.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:03 pm to TheCheshireHog
This all day long.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:09 pm to Stonehog
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Until the Razorbacks start winning a decent number of SEC football games, Jeff Long will catch flack.
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Do you think Long is a good athletic director?
He's OK. My quote was in reference to what I expect as a common reaction from fans. I saw it with Frank Broyles as well. Whenever a the football team wasn't winning on the level of what was expected, Frank would catch flack. I wouldn't expect anything different.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:35 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Which is beyond short-sighted. When it comes to coaches, his job is to bring in top level coaches, make sure to retain them if the win for us in the way we want or fire them if they don't.
So far he has hired a top 10 football coach and locked him up to a contract that was going to keep him here for a long time, he brought home the peoples choice for basketball who was also extremely qualified with sweet 16 and elite 8 appearances as a head coach and then hired a top 15 head coach for football with 3 previous BCS appearances. One more than the top 10 coach had.
While doing that he has brought our support facilities out of the Stone Age and to a level where we can finally go toe to toe with the elite in the conference on the level.
If Bielema continues to lose and is still here in 5-7 years then you would have a legitimate gripe. However, he hasn't shown yet that he is afraid to fire a coach that isn't getting it done.
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Some of our fans act like he's cool with paying Bielema to go 0-8 for the next 10 years as long as he can continue to have a refreshing Pepsi product in his skybox while laughing at all the poors at his feet.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:06 pm to Porky
FWIW, I like Coach Bielema and CMA a lot. I'm OK with Jeff Long but I lean toward the indifferent side with my opinion in regards to him because I really don't think about him enough to give a damn. I'm not JL's boss nor his anything. He was hired to do a job. It's his job. It's not my job to evaluate his performance. I only have an opinion and I made it clear. He's OK IMO.
I'm a Razorback fan.
I'm a Razorback fan.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:40 pm to Porky
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He's OK. My quote was in reference to what I expect as a common reaction from fans. I saw it with Frank Broyles as well. Whenever a the football team wasn't winning on the level of what was expected, Frank would catch flack. I wouldn't expect anything different.
That was because, generally, when things were not going well it was because of Frank's micro-managing of coaches. He was constantly trying to run things on the field of play instead of running the business side which is the job of an AD.
The stories of Frank showing up to Nolan's practices and handing him plays to be ran during that season comes to mind...
Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:12 pm to TheCheshireHog
Good discussion.
Although I still say, we're on an 0-17 in conference. That cannot be underscored enough.
And yes, I was in the stadium when we lost to Citadel. I was here for Ford. I've seen the worst and this IS comparable but admittedly has a few mitigating factors.
Although I still say, we're on an 0-17 in conference. That cannot be underscored enough.
And yes, I was in the stadium when we lost to Citadel. I was here for Ford. I've seen the worst and this IS comparable but admittedly has a few mitigating factors.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:28 pm to DaleDenton
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That was because, generally, when things were not going well it was because of Frank's micro-managing of coaches. He was constantly trying to run things on the field of play instead of running the business side which is the job of an AD.
The stories of Frank showing up to Nolan's practices and handing him plays to be ran during that season comes to mind...
This is true. I'll never forget how dysfunctional it was. He refused to delegate and let coaches do their job.
Frank did a lot of good things but his micromanaging wasn't one of them.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:39 pm to Stonehog
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Some people think the entire athletic department revolves around them. They donate $1,000 and act like Arkansas should win national championships in every sport because of that donation.
Add a few fricking zeros. I don't expect NC's but I expect conference wins and mf'ing Coca Cola!!!!!!
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:18 am to SmackoverHawg
his job duties are summed up in 3 things:
1. hire coaches
2. raise money
3. build stuff
he's done a good job in all 3 categories. hasn't muffed a hire yet. If Bielema fails it will be his first failure as an AD. he's doing everything else he was hired to do.
Not his fault if you cannot afford the razorbacks anymore. he's meeting the demands of the times and unfortunately they're damn expensive.
I like him until he talks to the announcers for 10 minutes in the middle of big games.
1. hire coaches
2. raise money
3. build stuff
he's done a good job in all 3 categories. hasn't muffed a hire yet. If Bielema fails it will be his first failure as an AD. he's doing everything else he was hired to do.
Not his fault if you cannot afford the razorbacks anymore. he's meeting the demands of the times and unfortunately they're damn expensive.
I like him until he talks to the announcers for 10 minutes in the middle of big games.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:11 am to YumYum Sauce
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Not his fault if you cannot afford the razorbacks anymore. he's meeting the demands of the times and unfortunately they're damn expensive.
Living in Atlanta made me appreciate the Hogs prices much more. I had the chance to go to games at Tennessee, UGA and Auburn and they were all more expensive than us.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:48 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Living in Atlanta made me appreciate the Hogs prices much more. I had the chance to go to games at Tennessee, UGA and Auburn and they were all more expensive than us.
the counter argument is we are a poor state, to which I say that has nothing to do with how expensive it is to run with the big dogs.
Bama and Mississippi are poor as frick too. they figure it out.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:41 pm to YumYum Sauce
I understand the results on the field argument, but if you don't look at our overall athletic facilities, programs, national exposure, reputation, tailgating atmosphere, and general interest in the program and see VAST improvements over where we were say 15 years ago... then I don't know what to tell you.
I was here in Fayetteville in the early 90s as a student (I was a Junior when we won the NC in basketball). I've lived here on and off ever since. I'm amazed at the increase in atmosphere and overall presence of athletics and the University up here over that time period. We've gone from being something of a backwater to a majorly impressive campus with first class facilities... and we just keep improving.
Now I realize we need wins in the long run (and we're moving in that direction), but it's hard, to me, to fault the overall direction of athletics up here.
I was here in Fayetteville in the early 90s as a student (I was a Junior when we won the NC in basketball). I've lived here on and off ever since. I'm amazed at the increase in atmosphere and overall presence of athletics and the University up here over that time period. We've gone from being something of a backwater to a majorly impressive campus with first class facilities... and we just keep improving.
Now I realize we need wins in the long run (and we're moving in that direction), but it's hard, to me, to fault the overall direction of athletics up here.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:51 pm to Stonehog
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I honestly believe some of our fans think that Long was hired on the day Petrino was fired.
This
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Some people think the entire athletic department revolves around them. They donate $1,000 and act like Arkansas should win national championships in every sport because of that donation.
And this.
I hate to say it, but our fan base such a bush league group of small-timers. They act like we should be rolling in money yet want to continue on with loss-leaders like home games in Little Rock and 1970s ticket prices with no donation/tiering structure. Most of the callers to local radio shows were ardently against the concept of the SEC Network when it was announced. When RSVP was rolled out a few years ago, by the reaction to it you'd have thought Long announced that he was abolishing the Hog call, building a statue of Houston Nutt outside the BAC, and euthanizing Tusk.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:53 pm to Porky
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This is true. I'll never forget how dysfunctional it was. He refused to delegate and let coaches do their job.
Frank did a lot of good things but his micromanaging wasn't one of them.
I yield to no one in my love of Broyles, but hell, he used to watch game film and meticulously comb over the next week's game plan on Sunday nights with Holtz. Orville sort of glosses over it in his book, but it's plain as day in hindsight. And the memos to Hatfield's staff about how "your head coach believes in you more than I do -- prove me wrong" going into the '88 season was pretty uncalled for, and created a toxic environment.
People can say what they want about Long, but he's about as hands off as it gets in terms of oversight of coaches, and it's no wonder why Bielema would rather coach under a guy like Long than a guy like Alvarez.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:08 pm to Feral
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Orville sort of glosses over it in his book, but it's plain as day in hindsight.
I'd like to read Orville's book. I'll bet it's a good one.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:23 am to Porky
I just like to bitch.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:43 am to SmackoverHawg
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I just like to bitch.
I hear ya. Posted on 11/15/14 at 12:04 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Add a few fricking zeros.
No one is impressed with your 1,000.00 donation.
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