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re: worst offensive coordinator (since we've bitched about all)
Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:07 pm to Swm323
Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:07 pm to Swm323
Look at my first statement. I said in the 2nd half, the moment to finish them off with the run had passed. I agree. Again, it looked like Lane was tone deaf to what was happening on the field.
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Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:11 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Yeah he didn't pay attention to field position or anything.
WTF dude.
WTF dude.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 9:46 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
All people see is the end result. Not the 5 plays the set up that result.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:40 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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There was no excuse for him not hammering away with the power running game. None
Really? No reason at all? Not even say...losing your starting center, and the opposing defense stacking the line? We had quite a few runs get absolutely stuffed, and the only way to counter that is by backing the defense off by attacking other parts of the field.
I'm not sure how seriously I ought to take someone who chalks the opposing defense making big plays up to shite like "mojo," and keeps referring to our OC by some extremely dumb nickname.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:44 pm to BrocraticMethod
What kills me is some fans think we beat LSU because "all they do is run the ball up the middle" and then get pissed when we don't do the same.
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:00 am to BrocraticMethod
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Really? No reason at all? Not even say...losing your starting center, and the opposing defense stacking the line? We had quite a few runs get absolutely stuffed, and the only way to counter that is by backing the defense off by attacking other parts of the field.
Nah mane.
Just gottta go 2 TEs tight with a FB and run good old 22 and 23 right up the gut. Just like back in high school. It's work every time. I seent it!
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:08 am to WW
The whole QB situation this year has been handled poorly. Not having a starter going into the 3rd game of the year and then starting a new guy instead of the guy who started the 1st 2 games is a mistake for the highschool level of the game.
When it comes to the offense, there is more to the game than scoring points. We score on big plays which also leaves us often times putting more and more pressure on our defense. As such, you have to score more when you do this to your defense.
And many times he has killed drives by going to the pass. We start a drive well, get a few 1st downs and then he either gets cute or goes - pass, pass, pass punt.
Offensively we have a top30 offense in the S&P. But our passing down success rate is 83rd in the country. That would be downs where you are in passing situations and how successful you are on them. We aren't very. And with all the negative plays they increase.
The idea he has less talent to work with is out to lunch. We won in 2009 with not as good a defense with really only Julio as a notable receiver and McElroy who couldn't pass more than 20 yards. We just ran the ball, ran the ball and didn't need to score 40+ points a game.
I am glad he has run Henry heavy against Georgia and A&M and hope that continues. It's obvious where we have success.
When it comes to the offense, there is more to the game than scoring points. We score on big plays which also leaves us often times putting more and more pressure on our defense. As such, you have to score more when you do this to your defense.
And many times he has killed drives by going to the pass. We start a drive well, get a few 1st downs and then he either gets cute or goes - pass, pass, pass punt.
Offensively we have a top30 offense in the S&P. But our passing down success rate is 83rd in the country. That would be downs where you are in passing situations and how successful you are on them. We aren't very. And with all the negative plays they increase.
The idea he has less talent to work with is out to lunch. We won in 2009 with not as good a defense with really only Julio as a notable receiver and McElroy who couldn't pass more than 20 yards. We just ran the ball, ran the ball and didn't need to score 40+ points a game.
I am glad he has run Henry heavy against Georgia and A&M and hope that continues. It's obvious where we have success.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 2:05 am to 3down10
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I am glad he has run Henry heavy against Georgia and A&M and hope that continues. It's obvious where we have success.
He did against Wisconsin and tried against OM but the OLine was getting it's lunch eaten until we fell behind and their D eventually wore down some. Near the end of the OM game is the only instance this season so far I'd be overly critical of Kiffin's run/pass balance.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 2:44 am to 3down10
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We won in 2009 with not as good a defense
Um...what?
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really only Julio as a notable receiver
None of our receivers right now are as good as 2009 Julio Jones.
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We just ran the ball, ran the ball and didn't need to score 40+ points a game.
We also came close to losing multiple games because we couldn't score. We had a 3 game SEC stretch where we scored 52 points: 2 Mark Ingram touchdowns, a Mark Barron pick six, and 11 Leigh Tiffin FGs. If we were to do that in any three conference game stretch this year we would go 0-3 or 1-2. It's only been 6 years, but this is a different era of football.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 6:07 am to 3down10
The QB situation was handled pretty much exactly the wat it was in 2011 with AJ and Sims splitting series until AJ won the job outright. Sims got meaningful series until the 4th game of the season. Sound familiar?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:06 am to WW
Nuss. What Kiffin did with Sims and Cooper last year was amazing. Nuss would have never gotten that production.
I agree he tries to get cute too often, but every OC has flaws. McElwain was our best in the Saban era, and even he had some off games.
I agree he tries to get cute too often, but every OC has flaws. McElwain was our best in the Saban era, and even he had some off games.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:15 am to SoFla Tideroller
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There was no excuse for him not hammering away with the power running game.
Someone other than Henry is going to have to step up if we are going to do this consistently. His last three games carry totals are 26, 27, and 32. That's a lot of work and could be risking some dead legs later in the season. Drake, Harris, and Scarbrough (if he is ready) - one or two of these guys need to step up and get some quality carries before garbage time.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:32 am to WW
Mac was awesome.
Nuss and Kiff leave a lot to be desired.
Nuss and Kiff leave a lot to be desired.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:34 am to JustGetItRight
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The QB situation was handled pretty much exactly the wat it was in 2011 with AJ and Sims splitting series until AJ won the job outright. Sims got meaningful series until the 4th game of the season. Sound familiar?
No, I don't at all remember it lasting more than the 1st game against Kent St.
I was saying that same thing preseason. By the 3rd week it was ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 8:36 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:39 am to BamaDude06
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Um...what?
We won that year with defense, but you have to take into account the offenses we are using is the point. If you put this years defense on the 2009 offense, then our stats are going to be even better than they were in 2009.
Right now, we have the #1 pass defense in the country according to the S&P while also having the #3 rushing defense.
We are giving up more points than 2009 because we are asking the defense to do way more now than we did in 2009.
Last year the defense was on the field for more than 2 extra games worth of plays due to the "high powered offense" of Lane Kiffin.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:11 am to 3down10
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The idea he has less talent to work with is out to lunch. We won in 2009 with not as good a defense with really only Julio as a notable receiver and McElroy who couldn't pass more than 20 yards. We just ran the ball, ran the ball and didn't need to score 40+ points a game.
Ingram/Richardson/Upchurch >>>>>>>> Henry/Drake/Harris
2009 OL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015 OL
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:24 am to 3down10
Kiffin by far has been the best in my opinion. What he was able to do with Sims last year and this year with Coker behind two years of maybe our weakest OL play is beyond the ability of any other OC under Saban.
I do question some of the calls like why hand the ball to Henry out of the shotgun. Henry seems to do better when Coker is under the center. Also it may be me but Stewart just does not have it as a play maker for me. Its like Kiffin sees the talent(potential) like most of us do but we try so many ways to get him involved and it results more in negative plays with him or dropped passes.
Also I think some need to realize our RB corps is not great. Henry is going to have a great season for us but he is not a top RB in the league and Drake is so hit or miss right now. Harris looks to be like what we were used to in the past.
The one thing that did frustrate me in the game was with the success Henry was having and their team having issues tackling him why did we not relieve Henry with Bo. I think Bo would have had a big game.
I do question some of the calls like why hand the ball to Henry out of the shotgun. Henry seems to do better when Coker is under the center. Also it may be me but Stewart just does not have it as a play maker for me. Its like Kiffin sees the talent(potential) like most of us do but we try so many ways to get him involved and it results more in negative plays with him or dropped passes.
Also I think some need to realize our RB corps is not great. Henry is going to have a great season for us but he is not a top RB in the league and Drake is so hit or miss right now. Harris looks to be like what we were used to in the past.
The one thing that did frustrate me in the game was with the success Henry was having and their team having issues tackling him why did we not relieve Henry with Bo. I think Bo would have had a big game.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:25 am to TideWarrior
Reading through this thread, I have come to the conclusion there is not an offensive coordinator that exists in the game of football that this fanbase would be happy with...
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:37 am to TideWarrior
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Also it may be me but Stewart just does not have it as a play maker for me
It's not just you. That deep ball to him Saturday, while a hair underthrown, should have been caught. He wasn't strong enough in the air to beat the defender to the ball. I've also seen him miss several blocks on those WR screens, something the Chrition Jones excelled in.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:39 am to TideWarrior
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I do question some of the calls like why hand the ball to Henry out of the shotgun.
While frustrating, we do have to run it a couple of times just to keep the defense from knowing it is going to be a pass when we go shotgun.
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