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worst offensive coordinator (since we've bitched about all)
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:20 am
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:20 am
Mcelwain?
Nussmeier?
Kiffin?
Kiffin has had the worst pool of talent and has continued to produce.
Nussmeier?
Kiffin?
Kiffin has had the worst pool of talent and has continued to produce.
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Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:23 am to WW
We do not mind production, he gets us into too many negative plays, if you listened to the commentaors today you would have heard that, THUS our 3rd down conversion rate is awful.
3rd and longs are hard to get.
If our defense was not great, we would be 3-3.
3rd and longs are hard to get.
If our defense was not great, we would be 3-3.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:31 am to WW
Kiff looks for the big play more often which means we will behind the chains more often in 2nd and 3rd than under McElwain. Mc was more conserative and we were rarely behind the chains but didnt hit near as many big plays. Its a yin yang type thing.
What i would like to see Kif do is think more about who we are playing and cut the east west stuff out against fast defenses like Ole Miss and TAMU and use Drake more when he can take adv of defenses like Arkansas. Would have liked to see more Bo today as the second back behind Harvey..i mean Henry. But maybe i would have been proven wrong and he wasnt ready as an all around back yet.
What i would like to see Kif do is think more about who we are playing and cut the east west stuff out against fast defenses like Ole Miss and TAMU and use Drake more when he can take adv of defenses like Arkansas. Would have liked to see more Bo today as the second back behind Harvey..i mean Henry. But maybe i would have been proven wrong and he wasnt ready as an all around back yet.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:31 am to Tuskkman
False starts, illegal formations, 2 yard losses on a run...
Kiffin's fault? The line is garbage, the quarterback is average, best receiver is a true freshman, no depth at running back. It's amazing they're able to score. People bitch and want him to run the ball and he ran Henry into the ground. But that's not good enough. "Run the ball,Kiffin". Ridiculous
Kiffin's fault? The line is garbage, the quarterback is average, best receiver is a true freshman, no depth at running back. It's amazing they're able to score. People bitch and want him to run the ball and he ran Henry into the ground. But that's not good enough. "Run the ball,Kiffin". Ridiculous
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:33 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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use Drake
Drake can't do shite!! Has not produced all year. Bo not being on the field is a Saban decision.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:35 am to WW
Enjoy the win man, lots of teams would love to be where we are.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:41 am to WW
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Drake can't do shite!! Has not produced all year.
Well that was sort of my point in most games. But not against defenses like Arky which was my point. He had only 7 carries but still led the RBs with 4.1. In the 2nd half Arky made some defensive changes to help stuff Henry and Drake would have probably been more effective. But my point is that more often than not we need to feed him less and bring in another back who can hit the middle with more consistency.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 9:54 am to WW
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Kiffin has had the worst pool of talent and has continued to produce.
Has he had a lot of new starters; yes. Lots of player turnover, yes. Worst pool of talent = laughable.
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Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:47 am to WW
To me, there is no consistency to our offense, On any series, we are liable to be run dominated, while the next series is pass dominated. No sticking with what works, no blending together the two for a dangerous attack. Seems like we are schizophrenic, and have two personalities from possession to possession.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:50 am to WW
Nussmeier hands down. Kiffin and Coach Mac are/were really good OCs.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:54 am to WW
I hope Major Applewhite returns so all the negative fans can stfu and realize to enjoy the ride while we can.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 12:26 pm to 251_Dreaux
I'm not sure Pussmeier or Freshwater even watch the game. Anyone with a scintilla of football knowledge could see aTm was about to throw in the towel in the 2nd quarter. This was his chance for a Cannae type victory. What did he do? Of course he abandoned the run. What happened? aTm regained their equilibrium and made a game of it.
For those of you that will say, "What about the 2nd half? They were stuffing the run when we tried it after half time!" No shite! The moment of decision had passed. We let up on the physical pressure and they got their mojo back.
If you're a pitcher and they can't catch up to your fastball, you don't speed up their bats with breaking stuff. If you're in the ring and you've pounded the body to the point they're about to drop, you don't back off and jab. (Honestly, their D looked like Trevor Berbick to Derrick Henry's Mike Tyson in the 1st half.)
I honestly think Freshwater goes into a game thinking, "I am going to run these plays no matter what. Don't care about the flow of the game or situation. They're cute plays and I can show how smart I am."
For those of you that will say, "What about the 2nd half? They were stuffing the run when we tried it after half time!" No shite! The moment of decision had passed. We let up on the physical pressure and they got their mojo back.
If you're a pitcher and they can't catch up to your fastball, you don't speed up their bats with breaking stuff. If you're in the ring and you've pounded the body to the point they're about to drop, you don't back off and jab. (Honestly, their D looked like Trevor Berbick to Derrick Henry's Mike Tyson in the 1st half.)
I honestly think Freshwater goes into a game thinking, "I am going to run these plays no matter what. Don't care about the flow of the game or situation. They're cute plays and I can show how smart I am."
Posted on 10/18/15 at 1:20 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Freshwater
Didn't someone else already tell you to stfu with that 'Freshwater' shite? It is not clever.
And I'd add that we ended up calling more run plays than passes. Coker only had 25 attempts yesterday. Would you be happier if he threw 15? Do you even watch the damn games, or just write your rants beforehand?
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/18/15 at 2:16 pm to BrocraticMethod
I have no issue with throwing the ball. But when a team is practically laying their head on the block inviting you to go for the kill shot, take it. Quit trying to force something for the sake of showing how clever you are. There was no excuse for him not hammering away with the power running game. None.
The fascination with the passive, shotgun running game (especially with Henry) is as baffling as it it is maddening.
The fascination with the passive, shotgun running game (especially with Henry) is as baffling as it it is maddening.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 3:59 pm to WW
We get 75 percent of our plys off under 5 seconds which allows the defense to tee off, that is the OC fault imho.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 4:40 pm to WW
As long as we're talking about OC's let me just add that Applewhite will always have a special place in my heart because, only hours after learning that he'd lost Glen Coffee, A/A center Antoine Caldwell (and we have seen first hand the last two years what can happen when you lose a starting center), plus another starting OL, he proceeded to take John Chavis to the woodshed and beat him like a rented mule.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 5:07 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Henry had 32 carries for 200+ yards. We were missing the middle of the line (Kelly) in the 2nd half. A&M knew that and completely loaded the middle of the box. You have to call plays to get them out of there. If we had just ran the ball up the gut for 4 quarters and gotten stuffed you would have complained about not spreading it out some.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 5:28 pm to WW
Kiffin is the best OC we have had under Saban. Nuss was asked to leave for a reason. Some of you who keep crying about not running it enough are fricking nuts.
The only game I think that is true would be OSU last year.
The last two years our OL has been the worst of the Saban era except for maybe 2007, and this year at times the OL has been straight trash.
Coker is the worst QB of the Saban era. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's terrible, but at times he struggles, and a lot of that has to do with the OL.
Kiffin schemed around that last year to the tune of a SECC and playoff birth. This year the OL is even worse.
And we have negative plays because the OL gets blown the frick up on running place multiple times a game. Kimdeachey when we played OM lived in the backfield. So did number 5 for AnM.
If anything it's a testament to what a good job Kiffin is doing with what he has to work with that we have that many negative plays yet we are as good as we are on O.
The only game I think that is true would be OSU last year.
The last two years our OL has been the worst of the Saban era except for maybe 2007, and this year at times the OL has been straight trash.
Coker is the worst QB of the Saban era. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's terrible, but at times he struggles, and a lot of that has to do with the OL.
Kiffin schemed around that last year to the tune of a SECC and playoff birth. This year the OL is even worse.
And we have negative plays because the OL gets blown the frick up on running place multiple times a game. Kimdeachey when we played OM lived in the backfield. So did number 5 for AnM.
If anything it's a testament to what a good job Kiffin is doing with what he has to work with that we have that many negative plays yet we are as good as we are on O.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 5:57 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I really don't think you watched the game.
aTm got their legs back solely because of special teams failures. At 28-6, Bama had a 3 and out, of which two were runs and the other a sack that also saw Bama flagged for holding. It was not three deep shots. They were safe calls on a possession that started at about the Bama 16. aTm returned the punt for a TD & Harris proceeded to return the kickoff out to about the 7. The next 5 snaps saw three runs and two penalties to kill off the half.
Bama goes 3 and out to start the second half, holds aTm to a 3 and out, and then Jones sees his own blocker force a fumble from him for th second time this season. Three snaps later it is 28-20 and aTm has life. During the time the score went from 28-6 to 28-20, the offense had exactly ONE series that started outside their own 20. Far from taking risks, they were playing close to the vest only to see it repeatedly blow up in their faces because of kicking game failures.
The offense then proceeded to go on a 13 play drive and restore order.
if you want to hate Kiffin, fine. He likely is a POS but don't go about saying things about on field happenings that are disproved simply by going to the play by play log.
aTm got their legs back solely because of special teams failures. At 28-6, Bama had a 3 and out, of which two were runs and the other a sack that also saw Bama flagged for holding. It was not three deep shots. They were safe calls on a possession that started at about the Bama 16. aTm returned the punt for a TD & Harris proceeded to return the kickoff out to about the 7. The next 5 snaps saw three runs and two penalties to kill off the half.
Bama goes 3 and out to start the second half, holds aTm to a 3 and out, and then Jones sees his own blocker force a fumble from him for th second time this season. Three snaps later it is 28-20 and aTm has life. During the time the score went from 28-6 to 28-20, the offense had exactly ONE series that started outside their own 20. Far from taking risks, they were playing close to the vest only to see it repeatedly blow up in their faces because of kicking game failures.
The offense then proceeded to go on a 13 play drive and restore order.
if you want to hate Kiffin, fine. He likely is a POS but don't go about saying things about on field happenings that are disproved simply by going to the play by play log.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 5:59 pm to northalabamacracker
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Kiffin is the best OC we have had under Saban. Nuss was asked to leave for a reason. Some of you who keep crying about not running it enough are fricking nuts.
The only game I think that is true would be OSU last year.
The last two years our OL has been the worst of the Saban era except for maybe 2007, and this year at times the OL has been straight trash.
Coker is the worst QB of the Saban era. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's terrible, but at times he struggles, and a lot of that has to do with the OL.
Kiffin schemed around that last year to the tune of a SECC and playoff birth. This year the OL is even worse.
And we have negative plays because the OL gets blown the frick up on running place multiple times a game. Kimdeachey when we played OM lived in the backfield. So did number 5 for AnM.
If anything it's a testament to what a good job Kiffin is doing with what he has to work with that we have that many negative plays yet we are as good as we are on O.
Can't disagree with any of this.
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