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re: Where Alabama ranks statistically after 3 weeks
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:51 am to tider04
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:51 am to tider04
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That's throwing it back to the Mike Shula era
Half of the Shula era maybe. 2004 and 2005 were incredible defenses with NFL players all over the field.
Alabama Defensive Ranks YPP Nationally (SEC)
2003 - 48th (7th)
2004 - 3rd (2nd)
2005 - 7th (2nd)
2006 - 52nd (6th)
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:52 am to JustGetItRight
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Pretty much, and it is actually even a bit better. I may be off a bit, but here are my calculations for the 1st Team (Hurts) offense. FSU 3/15 Fresno 3/5 CSU 8/11 So, you're looking at 14/31 - or 45% - but it gets a bit better. Three of those failed conversions led to 4th and very short and were converted on 4th down - so the 'keep alive' rate for that group is actually 17/31 (55%), which isn't bad at all.
Good stuff. Yea, we've done a great job staying ahead of the chains for the most part, and Jalen has made some nice throws on 3rd and 5-10 yards the last few games. Hopefully it continues.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Half of the Shula era maybe. 2004 and 2005 were incredible defenses with NFL players all over the field.
So half of Shula's defenses were better than this one? That's depressing.
I mean, it's honestly concerning. I get that injuries have gutted our LB corps and that's understandable. Should get better there as we get Evans, Jennings and Moses back. However, this DL isn't playing in the opponents backfield AT ALL. And that's with 5-star Payne, 5-star Hand and a glut of 4-stars like Davis playing. Very few tackles for loss, pressures or sacks from those guys. Johnny Dwight honestly seems to be in the backfield more when he gets in than any of those guys. Starting to make me wonder about the Dunbar hire, quite frankly.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:54 am to tider04
The starting 11 on those defenses were good. But they had no margin for error. However, that was definitely a different era of offensive football they were facing. They wouldn't rank anywhere near that now. The 2004-2005 defenses had little depth either.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:59 am to tider04
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when's the last time a Saban defense was ranked 37th in the nation?
In week 3? I'm not going to try to find exact figures but maybe
2007 when we gave up about 500 yards to Arky in game 3.
Or 2013 when we gave up 628 to aTm in game 2.
Or 2014 when we gave up 400 to West Virginia in game 1.
Or 2015 when we gave up 430 to Ole Miss in game 3.
Or 2016 when we gave up 530 to Ole Miss in game 3.
If Bama is 37th by game 7-8, get back to me. Until then, have a little perspective please.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:00 pm to tider04
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So half of Shula's defenses were better than this one? That's depressing.
I mean, as of now? I guess. Also, not sure how that would be depressing.
The 2005 defense had
DL - Mark Anderson (7 year NFL, 36.5 Sacks)
DL - Wallace Gilberry (9 year NFL, 34 Sacks)
LB - DeMeco Ryans (10 year NFL, 13.5 sacks, 7 INTs, 7 Forced Fumbles, NFL Defensive ROY, 2x Pro Bowl)
FS - Charlie Peprah (7 year NFL, 195 tackles, 8 interceptions, 3 forced fumbles)
SS - Roman Harper (11 year NFL, 818 tackles, 18 sacks, 11 INTs, 15 forced fumbles, 2x Pro Bowl)
CB - Ramzee Robinson (3 year NFL, 29 tackles)
CB - Anthony Madison (7 year NFL, 78 tackles, 1 interception)
That group also had a bunch of good, veteran players like Rudi Griffin and Freddie Roach. It was a dang good defense, for any era under any coach. There wasn't much depth there (see 2006), but the starting 11 was very solid with a lot of talent.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:04 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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The inability to convert those third downs by the second offensive unit led to late scores by Fresno and CSU. It was especially frustrating on Saturday night.
This. They aren't helping our 3rd down conversion rates either.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:07 pm to tider04
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They need to get better and get better fast or this is a 9-3 type season.
Brother, this is the kind of stuff that makes us look crazy. 3 games, 2 trash oppenents, lots of young kids playing, 5 injured LB's. Relax people. If our starting offense stays on the field for either game we might score 65-70 points. Thus the def not being on the field. Saban let Tua go out in both games and struggle a bit for reps.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:08 pm to CrimsonBoz
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If our starting offense stays on the field for either game we might score 65-70 points.
Yep.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:12 pm to CrimsonBoz
Yea, while people are probably slightly over-exaggerating the defenses issues (though I do still have serious concerns about areas), I think a lot of us are underestimating how good and efficient the starting offense has been since FSU.
We'll see if it's for real Saturday against a solid, but not quite FSU level, defense.
We'll see if it's for real Saturday against a solid, but not quite FSU level, defense.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:25 pm to JustGetItRight
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In week 3? I'm not going to try to find exact figures but maybe
2007 when we gave up about 500 yards to Arky in game 3.
Or 2013 when we gave up 628 to aTm in game 2.
Or 2014 when we gave up 400 to West Virginia in game 1.
Or 2015 when we gave up 430 to Ole Miss in game 3.
Or 2016 when we gave up 530 to Ole Miss in game 3.
If Bama is 37th by game 7-8, get back to me. Until then, have a little perspective please.
While I agree with you to some extent, the major difference is we gave up nearly 400 yards, 140+ of that rushing, to Colorado State...all the schools listed above are Power 5 and were decent to good Power 5 schools at that...
Not pushing the panic button, but the D does concern me more than it has in the past couple of years...
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:33 pm to OldPete
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While I agree with you to some extent, the major difference is we gave up nearly 400 yards, 140+ of that rushing, to Colorado State...all the schools listed above are Power 5 and were decent to good Power 5 schools at that...
Not pushing the panic button, but the D does concern me more than it has in the past couple of years...
Conversely, that same defense that concerns you held FSU to 7 points and 250 yards.
As I said earlier, linebacker now concerns me because of injuries at the position but giving up late yards to CSU doesn't. The guys that will have to step up and provide depth at LB were getting reps in a game that was well in hand, and that will pay dividends down the road.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:37 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Those defensive numbers are cause for concern.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:48 pm to bamarep
Do we have concerns, yes? But in my opinion we still have the best combo of offense/ defense in the conference!! If you don't agree who would have better?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:37 pm to amders44
This isn't much of an excuse but Colorado State is certainly among the top 5 or 10 G5 programs out there. They aren't chopped liver and they aren't UMass either.
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