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re: What are the on-the-field reasons why Barnett or Cornwell aren't ready?

Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:02 am to
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16473 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:02 am to
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When you think about Bateman you see possibility of sims


Bateman did not look anywhere close to being as athletic as he was made out to be. He might end up being the best option at qb, but his athleticism isn't going to win any games in the SEC.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:01 am to
Bateman out sprinted everyone on the field on Harris' long run like they were standing still. Doesn't necessarily mean he's has Sims' elusiveness, but if he breaks a run he's not going to get caught.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21691 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Bateman out sprinted everyone on the field on Harris' long run like they were standing still. Doesn't necessarily mean he's has Sims' elusiveness, but if he breaks a run he's not going to get caught.




This.

He isn't as shifty as Sims. But, he's plenty fast.
Posted by nb200016
Atlanta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
1282 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 4:11 pm to
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TruE but Sims always had the ability to adapt to the situation with his legs. Neither of these two guys are dynamic in any way. I won't lie I kept waiting for the "real" Blake to show up last year but he did a great job for the most part.


West Virginia
Ole Miss
Arkansas
LSU (whole game not just the end)
Auburn (whole game not just the end)
Ohio State

There were plenty Blake Sims outings that were not good, and some that were pretty terrible.

People forget how much Amari bailed him out at times. If you don't believe me, check the stats, or better yet go back and watch how many passes went to nowhere or picks were dropped by defenders.

Coker is the guy this year, and if he can't win it for us, I have a hard time believing any of the others can.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52682 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 4:43 pm to
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West Virginia


He did just fine in this game, especially for it being his first start.

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LSU (whole game not just the end)


He didn't do great, but really the whole offense was stagnant and just didn't have the ball hardly at all in the second half. Some drives were also killed by drops.

Obviously he helped saved our arse at the end.

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Auburn (whole game not just the end)


Meh, sure he threw a few bad picks, but you can't really say that he played bad in this game when you look at the whole picture.


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Arkansas


Again, our whole offense played bad. Running game was awful. And Blake was responsible for both of our TDs in this game.

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People forget how much Amari bailed him out at times.

This argument sucks.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4249 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:49 am to
If Deandrew White catches the ball that hits him in the chest on 3rd and 7 towards the end of the 1st half, Ohio St wouldn't have had enough time to score right before half at least. And ohio St wouldn't have had as much confidence the rest of the game. I think that one drop changed that entire game for the worst for Alabama
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 3:12 pm to
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Coker is the guy this year, and if he can't win it for us, I have a hard time believing any of the others can.


You just love Coker. Period. The reality is, so far he has proven he ain't that good a QB. He is slow to read, releases the ball slow, stares down receivers and doesn't have great pocket awareness.

The irony is you hate on Blake Sims, like he isn't two or three times the better QB for this team. If Blake had another year, Coker would never see the field until clean up time.

Also, Ohio State would have been won if not for DeAndrew White dropping a perfect 3rd pass which would have gave us a first down. Last I checked every game you mentioned Sims pulled his head out of his arse to win us the game with his ability; with a pretty inconsistent offensive line which is no where near as good as the one Coker keeps giving up 15 yards sacks in this year. The only game you can truly fault him for is Ole Miss, but we would have won that game is OJ would just go up for the ball instead of waiting for the ball to come to him.

I guarantee you if Coker comes out there Saturday night like he did last weekend against MTSU, Saban is pulling him and we all know you'll hate that and whine about it.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22645 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 3:41 pm to
You're dumb.
Posted by ApeDeuce
Funkytown
Member since May 2012
1606 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 4:04 pm to
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West Virginia
Ole Miss
Arkansas
LSU (whole game not just the end)
Auburn (whole game not just the end)
Ohio State


WE can focus on Sims and no, he was not perfect but he did give the team the best chance to compete and win from that position.

Also, what about the fumbles by guys like Christion Jones (Ole Miss) or TJ Yeldon (LSU) in key situations? What about the key drops by guys like, again Christion Jones (WVU) or DeAndrew White (Ohio State) as has been mentioned by several posters?

Nobody is perfect, but its clear that the only way Blake would have received universal respect from the fanbase is by being just that. As has been mentioned before, Florida was considered to be Blakes sink or swim game by many folks. He performed extremely well in that game (SEC & Home Opener), so maybe Coker will do the same this weekend. As a Bama fan, I certainly hope so...

Posted by nb200016
Atlanta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
1282 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 4:34 pm to
West Virginia there wasn't a single pass over 20 yards. All screens and quick slants. He didn't do too bad, but neither did Coker in game 1 and yet OP can't handle it.

LSU he did well enough at the end to have a comeback win, but he performed poorly enough in the first 3 quarters that a comeback win was necessary.

Auburn, he was threatened with the bench late in the game. Anytime you're threatened to be benched for the next guy in a close game, I believe saying you "played bad" is perfectly acceptable.

Arkansas, sure there were a couple drops. There was also plenty of passes that I'm still not sure where he was throwing it. I'll give you that he got both TDs with his legs, but he was inept with his arm.

I'm sorry you don't want to accept the fact that Amari was a huge reason Blake had the stats he did last year. There's a reason Amari was on the heisman finalist ballot and Blake is struggling to make a Canadian roster.

I know that's not what people want to hear because some people only want sunshine pumper and can't handle criticism of our players, but that's the way it was last year. The film is there, feel free to watch it again.

As for his year, Coker and Bateman both need to improve, but I do believe Coker is ahead and will stay ahead. Forcing him to throw when we should be running to set up the pass, and having both of them throw screen after screen is not the best way to go about this though IMO.

Then again I'm just a fan like yall. I don't make the calls. I just love me some bama football

Roll tide
Posted by Bamafan24
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2014
8282 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 4:59 pm to
I got this stat from Al.com for the Mid-Tenn game.

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Excluding screens and touch passes, Coker was 11 of 22 for 122 yards with no touchdowns and the interception. Bateman was 5 of 11 for 47 yards with no scores and his interception.


These numbers should be a lot better when playing against a team such as the one they did on saturday. The defense of Ole Miss is far better, and this is what has me worried about or qb play going into this weekend's game.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 5:13 pm to
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Nobody is perfect, but its clear that the only way Blake would have received universal respect from the fanbase is by being just that


I don't think that nb guy or any Bama fan doesn't respect Blake. He had obvious flaws, he had obvious strengths. It isn't like he was hating on him, just pointing out situations in his opinion that he didn't think Blake played well. All of our players have a list of games we could probably point to in a similar fashion. As for why nb brought them up I'm not sure. There does seem to be a group of people who think Blake was better than he was, but at the same time where is probably a group of people like that for a lot of players in history.

But anyway, I'm sure nb likes Blake. I don't personally know any Bama fans that don't. Hell after one season as a starter he became one of my favorites CFB players of all time, he probably had a similar effect on other Bama fans.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52682 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 5:24 pm to
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I'm sorry you don't want to accept the fact that Amari was a huge reason Blake had the stats he did last year. There's a reason Amari was on the heisman finalist ballot and Blake is struggling to make a Canadian roster.

I know that's not what people want to hear because some people only want sunshine pumper and can't handle criticism of our players, but that's the way it was last year. The film is there, feel free to watch it again.


your argument is so convoluted, its just retarded.
Posted by nb200016
Atlanta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
1282 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 5:33 pm to
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I don't think that nb guy or any Bama fan doesn't respect Blake. He had obvious flaws, he had obvious strengths. It isn't like he was hating on him, just pointing out situations in his opinion that he didn't think Blake played well. All of our players have a list of games we could probably point to in a similar fashion. As for why nb brought them up I'm not sure. There does seem to be a group of people who think Blake was better than he was, but at the same time where is probably a group of people like that for a lot of players in history.

But anyway, I'm sure nb likes Blake. I don't personally know any Bama fans that don't. Hell after one season as a starter he became one of my favorites CFB players of all time, he probably had a similar effect on other Bama fans.


I have nothing against Blake as a person, and have admitted many times he overachieved last year in regards to my expectations. He improved as the year went on and as Kiffin tinkered with the offense. He was and is an outstanding representation of Bama football and the athletic program as a whole.

I brought his performances up because OP (and others) have made a point to compare his beginning to that of our current QBs. I think both performed better than Blake in week 1, and both performed worse in week 2. Obviously there is the factor of those games being against different teams, but I believe in the grand scheme of things, it's hard for people to remember everything about a player's season. I certainly remember the things that Blake did very, very well. However, since I was skeptical of him, I also remember what he did poorly. I feel some fans just tend to remember positives more.

I'm trying to stay objective here. I realize nobody owes objectivity to our players or coaches (I've admitted my own Coker bias plenty on here) but I like to try and keep it as even keel as possible. I thought both played very well week 1, but the team as a whole (Coker very much included) played uninspired. I also thing the offensive gameplan was shoddy. I hope we come out running to set up the playaction because that's what I see as JC/CB's strengths, just like screen passes were the best way to help Blake succeed. And succeed he did for the most part.
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