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What are the on-the-field reasons why Barnett or Cornwell aren't ready?

Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:18 pm
Seriously... they can't be as aloof as Coker. We've all heard "Barnett isn't ready." In what way, exactly?

We heard about the Cornwell "incidents" (which seem overblown, all things considered).

Are these two just not SEC material, or are we grooming one of them in an antiquated manner?
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21656 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:21 pm to
Barnett is a freshman.

Cornwell is, apparently, just not better than the other options.

And, also, I think people are overreacting to our QB "problems". I've been saying it all along. They've been decent, and will get better.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 2:23 pm
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:34 pm to
I don't think it's "overreacting" when your alleged best option is a 5th year senior in his first year on the field after getting beat out by 2 other QB's. Especially when he's looked shaky in his first 2 starts.

McCarron looked better than this as a R-So.

Maybe it's just me, but I smell smoke with this QB situation.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

And, also, I think people are overreacting to our QB "problems". I've been saying it all along. They've been decent, and will get better.

This. I can't believe everyone is freaking out.

Neither QB has looked worse than Sims after his first two starts.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted by trgump
Hampton, Va
Member since Nov 2013
32 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:44 pm to
I think the coaches are playing the 2/3 guys that give us the best chance to win, they just need to get better ... and soon, like this week. Lose to the black bears and the chance to make it to the playoffs will get really difficult.
Posted by CrimsonCoast
The Coast
Member since Jun 2012
1409 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

Maybe it's just me, but I smell smoke with this QB situation.



Explain. What do you suspect is happening?
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

Explain. What do you suspect is happening?



I think the staff is possibly either doing 1 of 2 things, both of which might be done with good intentions, but have great potential for pain and suffering (keyword, possibly):

1. They're force-feeding Coker due to his seniority, hoping to further groom one of the other youngsters.

2. Punishing Cornwell. Was the incident really bad enough to possibly sacrifice the entire season just to prove a point?

Perhaps Cornwell isn't mentally prepared to handle the responsibilities; perhaps Barnett isn't either. But I find it hard to believe that QBs need this 2+ year incubation period unless something is wrong. Talented high school QBs aren't like they were in the 80s & 90s. They participate in camps and have offseason coaching, which means many of them arrive to college nearly game-ready. Maybe I'm looking too much into it.

This isn't to disparage the staff. They are truly an elite staff, but I just wonder about their M.O. sometimes.

All that said, we've got Ole Miss coming up. If we don't win that game, I won't be the only one asking these questions.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 3:04 pm
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:15 pm to
Let me add this too...

Coker's issues just might be confidence related. It may be prudent to go ahead and formally give him the job to see how he responds.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11109 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:44 pm to
You want someone to explain why a true freshman might not be ready to play QB on a NC caliber level team against a top 10 defense three games into the season?

Posted by 615tider
sidewalk in TN
Member since Oct 2012
3348 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:46 pm to
Chuckled I did.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38360 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Punishing Cornwell. Was the incident really bad enough to possibly sacrifice the entire season just to prove a point?


Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6312 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:53 pm to
what was the incident?
Posted by hambone213
Member since Oct 2012
442 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

It may be prudent to go ahead and formally give him the job to see how he responds.



Definitely seems like this is Cokers job. Bateman hasn't really shown anything to stand out. Combined with how much playing time Coker has gotten i'm gonna say its definitely Cokers job for the year for better or for worse...barring a complete meltdown.

Man why are people just forgetting about the Wisconsin game? I mean reading all the threads after that game everyone was like holy shite Coker is actually gonna be good! he might even be the strength of the offense.

I get that MTSU isn't that good...but people have bad games. Greg did AJ did and Blake Sims sure as hell did. If we played a legit team (sorry MTSU) I am positive we would have called plays differently.

I'm a little concerned about the qb play. But Coker showed that he can do it against Wisconsin. We will have to see. He has it in him.

I expect to see a lot more of the run game against Ole Miss. People are ignoring that for Alabama playing a team like MTSU is basically like a glorified scrimmage. Just the talent difference we have....You go out there and see what Coker has. Let him sling the ball around. We know what Henry and Drake can do. Let Coker throw the ball a lot and try and get as comfortable as he can before the Ole Miss game. keep the game plan vanilla. Of course we would have liked to see a better showing from him but oh well.


I feel like I'm in the minority in thinking we will actually beat Ole Miss...People are way overreacting to the MTSU game. I mean we did beat them 10-37 after all...It'll be tough no doubt but I feel like a lot of people are glossing over the fact that this is Chad Kellys first real test. Playing a night game in Bryant Denny against a team hungry for revenge is not a good recipe for success in your first real challenge of the year.

It's gonna be close but I think we pull it out.

I think Barnett is the future...But he would make way too many mental mistakes. Lots of interceptions and bone headed plays you just have to deal with. I think it would be good long term but we would undoubtedly drop a few games and imo be out of title contention. Which this team has a chance at so ultimately I would hate to see that happen as that would pretty much be throwing in the towel for the year (as far as a NC goes).
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52607 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:04 pm to
Didn't Saban just say that the QB "battle" isn't technically over? Coker has shown some good things, and he has shown some bad things. He has shown he can be serviceable thus far.

If he fricks up on Saturday, we will try someone else. shite, it ain't nothing to lose sleep over. Just enjoy the SEC football. I swear, some of of you folks take this shite so seriously that it seems that you can't even truly enjoy the season.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 5:19 pm
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:04 pm to
It sounded like each of the of the QBs, including Barnett, was given a real chance to show out and win the job in one of the fall scrimmages, but none of them did. Coker didn't do enough to win the job either but gets the nod due to having the most experience (which definitely counts for something at QB IMO). Can't blame the coaches if none of the other guys stepped up and showed they were ready.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:06 pm to
Bateman had a chance to take the job against MTSU. He didn't get it done. Coker is the man for now, but they won't hesitate to use Bateman if Coker struggles badly against OM.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

Neither QB has looked worse than Sims after his first two starts.


What games were you watching? Sims could complete a ball over 15 yards and could actually go through his read progression instead of staring receivers down.

He did all that with a defense and offensive line that isn't half as good as the one we have this year.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

Neither QB has looked worse than Sims after his first two starts.



Florida was Sims' coming out party, but he never looked as bad as Coker.
Posted by AjA77
Member since Aug 2015
1124 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:44 pm to
I think there nothing you can do at this point to speed up cokers delivery..
You can only protect it with a good running game which will allow play action to come into play..
Through play action he has more time to set up and make up for his set up with velocity.

When you think about Bateman you see possibility of sims..The athlete Qb who has a nice delivery.
but your going to have to live with him making a few turn overs..
Like sims he needs to use his legs when in-doubt Until he gains the staff confidence..

Batman will win a shootout type game and Coker will win the steady game backed by good
defense.The One thing that sticks out is Kiffen has done his best to avoid the middle of the field.
Hence all those wr screens.Yet cokers slow set and delivery still gets exposed there..

Notice when we finally throw a ball to the Te in the middle of the field he is so wide open..
Middle Tenn looked like they knew when almost every wr comeback when it was called,
because we only thru 2-3 balls vs Wisky in the middle of the field..

Coker has seniority and can be steady backed by a good running attack.
He plays with more efficiency as his confidence builds and right now that's the safest choice..

Its why batman is better in the relief roll coming in if were trailing and coker has been already given a chance..

But at some point in a game like this weekend the middle of the field has to be attack with some throws to oj Howard.
Howard must be used as to be more explosive as an offense.
A wr core of ridgley , foster, Howard,Stewart & 16 can do damage and there is no way
kiffen's not going to open this offense up it's in his dna..

The fla game last year at home was a no holding back attack.
That took advantage of the aggressive style muschamp defense is tailor made for kiffen
to take advantage of. ole miss is that same defense.

So it's qb by committee unless we fall 10-13 points behind then bateman will be called upon to just play
football and let it rip.

There lies the big difference in our Qb's..
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 11:10 am
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24263 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 3:27 am to
TruE but Sims always had the ability to adapt to the situation with his legs. Neither of these two guys are dynamic in any way. I won't lie I kept waiting for the "real" Blake to show up last year but he did a great job for the most part.
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