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Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:48 pm to
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:48 pm to
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f we don't do something with that class, and Sexton and Petty go pro


The chances that you both "don't do something" and both players going pro is practically zilch.

More likely y'all look like LSU last year or AU (when healthy) this year potentially a step above. Talent to play with anyone and youth/inexperience to lose to someone having a good game.

With FR with the burden I'd expect a bubble team. Avery >JohnnyJones so I'd think y'all make it in
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:58 pm to
The bigs will be the key to our season I think- if Hall can learn how to defend without fouling that'd help us a lot
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:00 pm to
If we look anything like LSU did last year, Avery should be fired. That team was horrible and lost to some bad basketball teams early on OOC.

Honestly, I think we should expect more than a bubble next year with the talent. I understand the team will be young, but with half the talent this year, we've been in position to win games late against some quality teams (Dayton, Oregon, Florida). Key, Hall, Dazon, and Avery will be back also.

I'll take anything to get us to the NCAAT honestly, but I'll be slightly disappointed if we continue to implode late in games because of repeated errors and poor shooting.
Posted by Gary Busey
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:02 pm to
It really fricking sucks that Ar'Mond turned out to be a bust. I really thought he could not only be a good 3-point shooter, but maybe a slasher at guard and be able to take it to the rim.

Really makes me hate that Ferguson decommitted and left the way he did. Who knows what this team looks like with him.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:05 pm to
That seems to be how it goes with juco guys in basketball. Crazy to think he was a four star
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:07 pm to
I am tempering my expectations because a lot of them have to do with Giddens and something out of Nick King, but there should be a lot to like next year.

I mean, think of it this way. It is the 2017 team, minus : Collins, Taylor, Hale, Olaniyan ; plus Sexton, Petty, Giddens, King (and the other freshmen).

I just don't see anyway that team is worse than this team, and this team will win 16-17 games. There are going to be a bunch of veteran dudes on that team next year to go along with the young guys. Norris, Giddens, AJ Jr, King, Hall, Key, Ingram will all have at least 1 year of big boy ball experience.

It all depends on how the skillsets mesh, but I fully expect to be a borderline Top 25-30 team next season, win 22-25 games and make the tournament somewhere between a 6-10 seed (non-last 4 in). Maybe that is too heavy an expectation, but I don't think it is unfair.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 8:08 pm
Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:07 pm to
If Hall didn't go for every block he could be a nice rebounder. Has to lean to just box out on bad shot attempts.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:23 pm to
I think Avery will be able to get a lot out Sexton. I mean Retin was on the bench under Grant, and Avery made him all SEC
Posted by JordonfortheJ
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:25 pm to
Not shocked at all, actually predicted this...just didnt post it. ADHD kicked in, I guess. If AU wakes up against anyone, it is bound be be Alabama. Doesn't matter the sport, how good/bad.

I don't think this is an reflection on how bad we are, even though I think we are bad( ), just AU going all out for the W unlike our guys energy and effort wise..if that makes any sense at all.
Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:26 pm to
They shot 42 free throws...that is all
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:28 pm to
Maybe it's just me, but I think we've seen the last of King. Even if we haven't I doubt he lives up to the hype and can be a big contributor like we hope. Seems so raw and wild with his shots.

Hopefully Giddens can be the inside scoring presence we all hope for. Taylor cannot defend the paint and is useless scoring, unless it's a right hook.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:37 pm to
I just want us to be average shooting damn free throws! We'd have at least a couple of more wins if we were decent from the charity stripe. Very disappointing year. I didn't know were in as bad a shape as we are in. Grant really sucked arse and took this program to the dumpster. Recruiting will be tough this year. What does Avery sell them? Last year he could say we got close and you could be the difference. What's the pitch this year? We sucked arse, plenty of chances for early PT? Basketball at Alabama is a fragile thing. If it's good, it gets support and it thrives. But if it goes bad, it snowballs real quickly to dumpster fire. Like it did under Hobbes and Grant. It takes a herculean effort to get back to just good. I hope Avery is good enough.
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:40 pm to
Alabama and Auburn both hit 24 FGs each. They still won by 20. Auburn isn't that good (although they were really good today), the difference was just they had 42 FTs to our 19. They hit more FTs than we attempted. That's ridiculous. Then at the end they hit a couple of 3s, we gave up, and the floodgates opened. I'm not gonna blame this loss on just the refs or just our bad play, it was both. We just need to make sure to beat Auburn at home. If we get swept, Avery will be 1-3 against them. I'm pretty confident we will win at home though, we usually have a pretty good (sometimes sold out) crowd.
Posted by Bamafan4evr12
Member since Jul 2014
1977 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:40 pm to
I'm watching the Miami-Duke game right now, the Cameron Crazies are going crazy as Duke makes a nice comeback. I'm CRAVING an atmosphere like that one day for basketball! And Miami isn't even ranked.

I'm hoping between Avery and the new AD they can build this program into a powerhouse, get a new arena built that's smaller and basketball only that's intimidating and loud. I guess I can dream though
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
6820 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:46 pm to
I've seen some of our fans complain when people say we need a smaller arena. Well it works for Auburn. They rarely lose at home, they beat us at home every time, and they upset Kentucky there last year. It's a small arena that gets very loud and intimidating. It only holds 9k, but imagine one that's like 12k....we could possibly sell that out every game and it would be loud.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:47 pm to
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Recruiting will be tough this year. What does Avery sell them? Last year he could say we got close and you could be the difference. What's the pitch this year?


I assume you're talking about the '18 recruiting class, because we have the 5th ranked recruiting class right now for '17. I would also guess the recruiting pitch would be around the same, in that Avery knows what it takes to get to the NBA and he's changing the culture around here. However, I would say that if either of those things don't start coming up soon, we won't really see top ranked recruiting classes in the future.
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
6820 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:50 pm to
Also, I hate hearing people say "we're gonna be young next year so don't expect much". All the blue blood schools get one and done players who are freshmen every year and win titles. If we ever want to get on that level, we better get to the point where we comfortably make the tourney. I'm not saying we should win a title next year, but we don't need to even hear the world bubble. With how bad the SEC is, we should finish in the top 4 of the SEC and make the tourney with no problem.
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:50 pm to
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I think Avery will be able to get a lot out Sexton. I mean Retin was on the bench under Grant, and Avery made him all SEC


I do too - and with some guys who are able to create and hopefully a couple more shooters, he will be able to run a lot more stuff on offense.

We're just so damn limited right now. There is no answer for an offense with no creators and no shooters. I mean, what the hell do you draw up? You just have to try and run and create space and fouls. Last year we at least had Retin's ability to drive and finish, which then opened up shots for some of the other guys outside. The best we have now is Key and Ingram, and they aren't go to offensive players.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 8:53 pm
Posted by Bamafan4evr12
Member since Jul 2014
1977 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:53 pm to
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It only holds 9k, but imagine one that's like 12k


My thoughts exactly. 12k crammed into a smaller, more intimate space would be very intimidating and LOUD! Leave the big arenas for the NBA. Even when our crowd gets loud and into games its just blah most of the time. The students have shitty seats still. Imagine if they were right on top of the action. They'd fill that place up. Granted the product on the floor has to improve.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:55 pm to
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All the blue blood schools get one and done players who are freshmen every year and win titles
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All the blue blood schools get one and done players who are freshmen every year and win titles


A lot different because they have had quality HC's that have been doing it for a while now. We all love Avery, but the jury is also still out on whether he can do that or not. I have hope he will and believe he can, but not every great recruiting class leads to immediate success.

I do think we should make the NCAAT and be a good seed.
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