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re: Really Solid Take By Josh Pate
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:36 am to Alfie Solomons
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:36 am to Alfie Solomons
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This fan base owes Nick Saban that much, and he deserves to stay or leave on his own terms, in whatever time he chooses
I agree but that doesn't mean we should be ok with shitty coaching.
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:41 am to Alfie Solomons
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This fan base owes Nick Saban that much, and he deserves to stay or leave on his own terms, in whatever time he chooses.
We should hold him to the standards he set. I don't want an old figure head dragging down the program so we can sit around and reminisce about the good old days.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:49 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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I agree but that doesn't mean we should be ok with shitty coaching
Then you don’t agree.
Look, I’m not saying it’s over now, and I’m not saying we have to like it or enjoy it now, but at some point this run has to come to an end, if we can’t understand that we are all deceiving ourselves.
Respecting Saban enough to allow him to stay as long as he wants and to exit whenever and however he chooses means shitty coaching is on the table.
He gave us this dynasty. He has given us a dynasty that no other fan base has ever experienced. What are we going to give him?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:50 am to Shocco
Couldn’t agree more. I think they’ll be a positive at the end of all this.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:52 am to Alfie Solomons
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Respecting Saban enough to allow him to stay as long as he wants and to exit whenever and however he chooses means shitty coaching is on the table.
There is a difference in forcing him out and not being ok with mediocre coordinators.
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He gave us this dynasty. He has given us a dynasty that no other fan base has ever experienced. What are we going to give him?
He's been well compensated for his work.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:55 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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He gave us this dynasty. He has given us a dynasty that no other fan base has ever experienced. What are we going to give him?
He's been well compensated for his work.
That compensation hasn’t come from the fan base.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:01 am to ChromaticTide
I saw that video Pate put on and thought it was a great analysis. I've just recently come to know of Pate and I love his takes. He just seems to grasp the bigger picture of programs and relay it in a way fans (at least this one) would have never thought of.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
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I'll grant you with Locksley, however, I remember very vividly the backlash we received with the Lane Kiffin hire. Most people described Saban as desperate for going after the guy and even Joel Klatt referred to Kiffin as a vanity play caller.
You listen to the media too much.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:11 am to bogeypro
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We should hold him to the standards he set. I don't want an old figure head dragging down the program so we can sit around and reminisce about the good old days.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess Nick Saban holds himself to a higher standard than you, me, or anyone else who will read this today, or any other day.
It’s laughable that you would say “we” should hold him to the standard “he” set.
As far as age goes, he and Mack Brown are 71, the two oldest active head coaches right now. JoePa and Bowden were in their 80s before they had their careers ended. I don’t see Nick going out like that.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:15 am to Robot Santa
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So much of this is the product of the route combinations being shite. That diving attempt by Brooks that he didn't bring in was a good example. The throw wasn't great, but if it had been it's probably either an INT or a hospital ball because Brooks ran his route into the same area as another receiver. He had separation, but it didn't matter because he was effectively double covered.
To further your point, look at the Bryce scramble and TD pass to Brooks. How do you have 2 receivers that close together when your QB is under pressure and scrambling for his life.
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:16 am to Alfie Solomons
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That compensation hasn’t come from the fan base.
Really? Then how exactly does the athletic department make money?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:29 am to ChromaticTide
Due to recent history, I assume Alabama coordinators have at least one eye on the next gig. So much so they fail to identify or prepare for sprint right option.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:31 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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That compensation hasn’t come from the fan base.
Really? Then how exactly does the athletic department make money?
The fan base doesn’t make decisions on how much Saban is compensated. Your ticket price isn’t an investment in the athletic department.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:32 am to Alfie Solomons
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he deserves to stay or leave on his own terms, in whatever time he chooses
It is this way of thinking that got FSU where they are now because they let Bowden stay on way too long. If Saban runs out the string without competitive seasons then the best recruits will stop committing. Once the talent level drops without excellent coaching and development, then the entire program will begin drifting into mediocrity which will in turn lead to the better coaches turning down jobs as HC,OC, DC etc.
I agree that Saban has earned the right to decide when it is time to retire, but if he doesn’t recognize that the program is in decline and isn’t working every day to fix it, then Byrne should step in before we get to the point that we have poor talent and poor coaching and become Nebraska or FSU.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:38 am to Bamachief
Have to also take into account that a shitload of people will be without a job the moment CNS steps down. Not just football coaches but a huge support staff.
I remember an interview with joepa later in his career and he said he thought about those things when he contemplated retirement earlier.
For example, you have a secretary for 15-30 years. You see that person have kids and grandkids and as you get older, things like that start to play louder in your head. Just sayin
I remember an interview with joepa later in his career and he said he thought about those things when he contemplated retirement earlier.
For example, you have a secretary for 15-30 years. You see that person have kids and grandkids and as you get older, things like that start to play louder in your head. Just sayin
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:41 am to Alfie Solomons
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That compensation hasn’t come from the fan base.
If the fans don't show up to the games, don't buy merchandise, and don't make donations, then there is no compensation.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:44 am to Alfie Solomons
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The fan base doesn’t make decisions on how much Saban is compensated.
I didn't say fans made the decision on how much he is compensated. If it wasn't for fans, college football wouldn't be generating the kind of money it does.
We're moving away from the original topic, fans have a right to bitch and be unhappy with the coordinators we have. I appreciate everything Saban has done at Alabama but living in the past and being unwilling to adjust is how you become mediocre. Saban has proven he is willing to adjust and I hope he is willing to do it again.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:49 am to Bamachief
If you are referring to Tom Osborn’s run at Nebraska, he was the HC from 73-97 and won 3 National Championships (94,95, &97), not sure how retiring in the same year you win a championship is indicative of poor talent and coaching. Bowden won 2 national championships and retired a decade after his last one. While the comparison between him and Saban isn’t even close, I would agree we don’t want to go through that, I just don’t believe Saban would stay if he wasn’t successful and making a National Championship appearance every 3-4 years.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:56 am to Woody4daTide9
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Just sayin
Not that I don’t feel sympathetic to those support personnel, but no successful business operates in that manner anymore. Specific to Saban though, if that does get that into his head, then he can hire many of them to assist with his next stage, whether that would be in broadcasting or consulting, etc. AD Byrne would shoulder the responsibility to relocate those deserving personnel somewhere within the athletic department or the president within the campus, or the chancellor within the system.
If they’ve been employed 15-30 years, then they are eligible for retirement, depending on age and tier.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 12:00 pm to Bamachief
He also has multiple dealerships.
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