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re: Potential replacement for when Saban retires
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:19 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:19 pm to ReauxlTide222
If the scenario played out tomorrow, I could really see it going either way. "Mama called" vs "building his own independent legacy."
If he wins a natty at Clemson, doubt hell ever leave.
Following in the footsteps of Bear and Saban is a tall order.
If he wins a natty at Clemson, doubt hell ever leave.
Following in the footsteps of Bear and Saban is a tall order.
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:19 pm to FairhopeTider
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That should be overlooked because HE YELLED AT THE PUNTER PAWLLLL!
You're not that stupid. He went over and sought him out on the bench several minutes later.
But that's not nearly as bad as looking like an utter fool in a post game press conference.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:20 pm to Teague
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Petersen
I think he's fantastic, but I think he's at his final spot. His kid has some medical issues, and if I remember correctly every offseason when his name would pop up people who knew would mention that it would take a specific place to get him to leave Boise. I think he'll stay at Washington and win big there, I really do.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:21 pm to BamaGradinTn
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He went over and sought him out on the bench several minutes later.
I honestly don't care. Saban has done similar things with players, from berating kids on the sideline to the whole AJ arse slap and scream thing a few years ago.
Dabo's kids frickin love him, but he doesn't put up with bullshite. That type of thing is the last thing I'd be worried about with him coming here.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:22 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Those are the 2 dumbest reasons I've ever heard for not hiring a coach
What's dumb is completely overlooking the cluster frick he pulled in that game. Does he not get hired because of it? He doesn't get hired if I'm not convinced he's learned from it.
edit: and our reasons for not hiring a coach are going to be a helluva lot different from a lot of schools.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:23 pm to Triple Daves
Yeah, Peterson is the man. Hell he might be a top 3 football coach in CFB.
But I don't think there's even a 1% chance that he comes to Alabama. I think he's actively against going to a place like Alabama.
But I don't think there's even a 1% chance that he comes to Alabama. I think he's actively against going to a place like Alabama.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:24 pm to Triple Daves
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I honestly don't care. Saban has done similar things with players, from berating kids on the sideline to the whole AJ arse slap and scream thing a few years ago.
You miss the point. And yeah, you're smarter than that too. I have absolutely ZERO problem with any of that. What I do have a problem with is several minutes later, after he's already given him the well deserved arse chewing, going over and doing it again. He has to play the next play also. You've NEVER seen Saban do that.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:24 pm to Triple Daves
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He has MADE Clemson what it is today. That is HIS program. They love him there, he loves it there, he has built a culture there. He loves Alabama, of that I'm sure, but he loves Clemson too. A lot. We wouldn't just be able to walk up and say "Aight Dabo, lets go".
Agree 100%
It makes sense. Put yourself in his shoes. If I were a CFB coach, I'm not sure I'd want that job. You've got to deal with the know it alls, ingrates, Updykes, and loons in our fanbase. Plus, look at Dubose and Shula. I bet they have a hard time enjoying anything Alabama these days. I'd hate to jeopardize that.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:26 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:What coach doesn't look like a fool in a post game presser sometimes? Saban has done it plenty times. He's lost his shite. He's given the other team zero credit after they beat Alabama. He's literally blamed the loss squarely on the players before.
But that's not nearly as bad as looking like an utter fool in a post game press conference.
Coaches get angry and say stupid shite.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:27 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Going over and doing it again
I mean, I agree it was not his best moment. But if that's the pinnacle of your public embarrassment, sign me up.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:28 pm to BamaGradinTn
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where the Clemson punter ran a fake on his own, and got the expected arse chewing after coming off the sidelines. But then, a few plays later after the other team scored, Dabo went and found the punter sitting on the bench and started the arse chewing again. Pretty shitty example if you're trying to teach your kids to "play the next play".
Meh
If a player goes completely off script to this degree, he probably needs a little extra reinforcement of the teaching points.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:29 pm to Triple Daves
I'll also add that I just think Dabo is a helluva human being who truly loves his kids and fights for them, even if it might make him look a little goofy (Saban does the same damn thing and doesn't mind taking the heat).
That isn't the reason for hiring a guy, but it sure is nice to have on your side.
That isn't the reason for hiring a guy, but it sure is nice to have on your side.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:29 pm to ReauxlTide222
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But that's not nearly as bad as looking like an utter fool in a post game press conference.
What coach doesn't look like a fool in a post game presser sometimes? Saban has done it plenty times. He's lost his shite. He's given the other team zero credit after they beat Alabama. He's literally blamed the loss squarely on the players before.
Coaches get angry and say stupid shite.
Jeez...you don't get it, do you? When the hell has Saban gotten up and demonstrated an utterly clueless lack of knowledge of the rules, which helped cost him a big game?
We're not talking about "coaches getting angry and saying stupid shite". We're talking about coaches literally being stupid. Dabo didn't know the rules. You knew the rule, didn't you? I did. How the hell can a guy making millions of dollars to do that job not know?
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:30 pm to BamaGradinTn
What rule are you talking about? The onside kick?
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:32 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Jeez...you don't get it, do you? When the hell has Saban gotten up and demonstrated an utterly clueless lack of knowledge of the rules, which helkped cost him a big game? We're not talking about "coaches getting angry and saying stupid shite". We're talking about coaches literally being stupid. Dabo didn't know the rules. You knew the rule, didn't you? I did. How the hell can a guy making millions of dollars to do that job not know?
Are we talking about the onside kick thing last year?
He knew the rule - he was semi-arguing (and not even really arguing, just giving his first thought while on the sideline) that the same thing happened to them against South Carolina and the call went the other way. I didn't even take it as him saying it was the wrong call, I took it as him saying "one of them was obviously wrong". It's a judgment call, and it's clear that their guy wasn't under the ball, but you can see where in the heat of the moment his first instinct is to argue that he was.
He didn't harp on it, he didn't explode about it, he didn't say they lost the game because of it, he just explained what he was thinking and saying on the sideline. I thought it was pretty clear once it was explained to him that he knew it was the right call he was just shocked and pissed and understood the overall MAGNITUDE of what had happened.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What rule are you talking about?
You don't even effing know. And yet here you are trying to debate the point. Maybe you need to know the facts before jumping in like you know shite.
On the onside kick, Swinney thought we were not able to recover it. Even though they had no player near where it came down, he though we weren't allowed to. That's why he went off on the officials. Then in the press conference, he continued, saying he thought that because in USCe game, they tried a kick like that and they weren't given the ball because the USCe player wasn't given a chance to recover it.
The difference was that in the USCe game, there was a receiver under the ball trying to catch it. In our game, we kicked it out into open space with no Clemson player in a position to attempt to field it. Not only did he not know the rules, even when a similar play happened in a previous game, he didn't go back and familiarize himself with the rules.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:40 pm to Triple Daves
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He knew the rule - he was semi-arguing (and not even really arguing, just giving his first thought while on the sideline) that the same thing happened to them against South Carolina and the call went the other way. I didn't even take it as him saying it was the wrong call, I took it as him saying "one of them was obviously wrong". It's a judgment call, and it's clear that their guy wasn't under the ball, but you can see where in the heat of the moment his first instinct is to argue that he was.
I'm not going to continue to argue, and your entitled to your opinion, but the ball was so far over the head of and past the Clemson player...and right in front of Dabo...that the evidence doesn't support your point of view.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:41 pm to BamaGradinTn
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On the onside kick, Swinney thought we were not able to recover it. Even though they had no player near where it came down, he though we weren't allowed to. That's why he went off on the officials.
Like I said above, he went off on the officials because he was shocked and his first inclination (like mine was in the stands) was that we must have done SOMETHING illegal. There's no way it was THAT easy. He also knew, like everyone watching, that play had just totally changed the game. And, they had their own similar play against South Carolina a few years earlier and it was called the other way.
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Even though they had no player near where it came down, he though we weren't allowed to. That's why he went off on the officials. Then in the press conference, he continued, saying he thought that because in USCe game, they tried a kick like that and they weren't given the ball because the USCe player wasn't given a chance to recover it.
I watched his press conference 3 or 4 times in the airport waiting on the flight back, and he did not argue about it at all. He simply explained what happened against South Carolina, and that he thought his guy needed a shot to catch it. He didn't really even complain about it or blame anything on it, and I never heard another peep about that play from him since. I certainly didn't take it as him complaining or not knowing the rule, I took it as him explaining why he was yelling and screaming, that he thought his player needed a chance to field it (and from his POV on the sideline he probably did think that). He didn't have the film to show him how far away from the ball his kid was.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:42 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I'm not going to continue to argue, and your entitled to your opinion, but the ball was so far over the head of and past the Clemson player...and right in front of Dabo...that the evidence doesn't support your point of view.
Again, you say that, but like everyone in the stadium (me included), nobody expected that to happen. He in all likelihood was as taken aback by it as everyone else, wasn't zoned in on where his player was in relation to our player, and he didn't get to watch it on replay 4 times to see that yes, his player was 8 yards from Marlon when he caught it.
He knew the damn rule, he was arguing for an interpretation in his favor to help his team win the national championship. I seriously don't understand how this is a big deal, but everyone is free to an opinion.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:43 pm to Triple Daves
quote:Exactly. If he's talking about the onside kick then holy cow
He knew the rule - he was semi-arguing (and not even really arguing, just giving his first thought while on the sideline) that the same thing happened to them against South Carolina and the call went the other way. I didn't even take it as him saying it was the wrong call, I took it as him saying "one of them was obviously wrong". It's a judgment call, and it's clear that their guy wasn't under the ball, but you can see where in the heat of the moment his first instinct is to argue that he was.
So he yelled at a kid again instead of "playing the next play." And he was a damn punter. He could have yelled at his 6 more times and still allowed him to play his next play
And he got upset about a call on the field, that had just gone against him earlier in the year. He was wrong, but coaches argue the wrong side of a call or rule every single game.
"Dabo. Look here. You can have the job. But you must correctly answer 1 question first. Do you, Dabo, know the fair catch onside kick rule thing?"
GTFO
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