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re: Potential replacement for when Saban retires
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:06 am to Triple Daves
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:06 am to Triple Daves
Let's put that into perspective a little bit. Dabo is at a school that has been traditionally one of the powers of the ACC. They were slightly down when he took over and he has managed to build them into a power however that was not a long journey. The recruiting has always been good for Clemson. Really all Dabo has shown at Clemson is that he can take superior talent and win the games he supposed to win and be competitive in every game. And he's done a lot of it with schtick and Rah-rah and emotion. That's why sometimes he gets his arse kicked by inferior competition. I like Dabo's story and I like him as a person but I don't like his coaching style and I don't think he would be a good fit at Alabama. Too much style, not enough substance. I have really mixed emotions about hiring him. He loves Bama and would be coming home, but I feel like in some ways we'd be hiring a better version of Bill Curry style-wise. Curry and DuBose both proved the adage that any idiot can win 10 games a year at Bama as long as you don't get in the way. I think the real litmus test for Dabo begins next year after Watson leaves. If he can maintain this elite level then, he passes a major test and I will have to rethink my position. But for now I still have big reservations.
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:16 am to phil4bama
And I'll throw out another name to watch. He's really too old for our purposes but watch Craig Bohl at Wyoming. He was the guy that made North Dakota State a giant killer and in year two, he's taken Wyoming from shitty to nice record and a bowl. Next year they should be in the running for the latest Cinderella of the G5, the next Houston if you will. The guy can coach. I wish he was younger.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:18 am to phil4bama
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Dabo is at a school that has been traditionally one of the powers of the ACC
Clemson Top 10 Finishes Pre-Dabo : 6 (100 years)
Clemson Top 10 Finishes With Dabo : 4 (8 years)
Again, I don't love his style, but I love the way his teams play and I love the athletes that he signs. And I do like the fact that he has a philosophy, one that he is rock-hard confident in. I think that is critical at a place like Alabama, especially following a guy like Saban. It would take some getting used to, and I'm not 100% sure he would flourish at Alabama, but I think every other candidate has just as many red flags as he does.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:04 am to Triple Daves
Dabo would very likely get the call and the opportunity.
He's well thought of by boosters who still want the HC to have SOME connection to the university. Saban thinks highly of Dabo and they are personal friends (so he'd be on the list of people Saban would recommend and that he'd believe would be able to keep working on the legacy he's built). And Dabo (if the call comes in 5 or more years from now when his youngest graduates HS) would crawl to Tuscaloosa for the job. Hell, he would probably take the job before then too, but it would be a no brainer then.
He's well thought of by boosters who still want the HC to have SOME connection to the university. Saban thinks highly of Dabo and they are personal friends (so he'd be on the list of people Saban would recommend and that he'd believe would be able to keep working on the legacy he's built). And Dabo (if the call comes in 5 or more years from now when his youngest graduates HS) would crawl to Tuscaloosa for the job. Hell, he would probably take the job before then too, but it would be a no brainer then.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:10 am to bamasgot13
There is no way in hell Dabo follows Saban. Is he a lunatic?
No.
That's an IMPOSSIBLE JOB. A solid assistant (Pruitt) would jump at the opportunity. And then the inevitable would happen: we would return to some semblance of "normal" where we aren't winning National Championships at a better than 50 percent clip, and our fanbase will lose their shite and we fire the guy that follows Saban.
THEN we can go get a big time coach.
Our fanbase is going to be insufferable.
No.
That's an IMPOSSIBLE JOB. A solid assistant (Pruitt) would jump at the opportunity. And then the inevitable would happen: we would return to some semblance of "normal" where we aren't winning National Championships at a better than 50 percent clip, and our fanbase will lose their shite and we fire the guy that follows Saban.
THEN we can go get a big time coach.
Our fanbase is going to be insufferable.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:16 am to BamaGradinTn
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Nor does Bama need a coach that knows less about the rules of football than its own fans.
Looking forward to you giving a similar thorough examination on any potential replacement.
Nevermind Dabo is a young coach and has his team in the playoffs for the second consecutive year. That should be overlooked because HE YELLED AT THE PUNTER PAWLLLL!
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:24 am to Grievous Angel
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There is no way in hell Dabo follows Saban.
Dabo is from Pelham. It isn't that hard to find people in Bham with some type of connection to him, his family, or his wife's family. It's not terribly hard to find people with deep connections to them. I have a business associate who grew up with Dabo and goes on an annual fishing trip with him (I've seen the pictures and know the guy isn't blowing smoke). He's asked Dabo the question before and Dabo has told him if the timing was right "how could i say now?". He's also said, "I don't know if I could bring myself to say no regardless of timing".
Clemson beat FSU on a Saturday and I was with this contact on the next Monday for kids to trick or treat. He showe me the text exchange bt he and Dabo congratulating him for the win and Dabo's "thanks brother" response back. As long as that guy continues to tell me Dabo would take the job, I'll expect him to be the next HC (if offered).
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:54 am to bamasgot13
IMO, it's Urban or bust.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:56 am to stomp
Same here
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:02 am to Grievous Angel
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Our fanbase is going to be insufferable.
Yea, there is no doubt about that. It's an impossible job. The sidewalk fan Bammers will probably try and assassinate whoever takes over the first time they go 9-3.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:03 am to TT9
Urban is the only person on the globe that can sustain the well-oiled machine.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:03 am to stomp
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IMO, it's Urban or bust.
Well, it's gonna be bust. Urban is at one of the Top 3 programs in the country and one that he has a personal tie to. He's not leaving that to come follow Saban at Alabama.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:04 am to stomp
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Urban is the only person on the globe that can sustain the well-oiled machine.
Everyone is going to have to accept that nobody is going to sustain what we are doing. It is not sustainable. There isn't a coach alive that can sustain it year after year (and that includes Urban Meyer).
The faster we accept that the faster we can look at the actual human beings currently coaching that could reasonably replace the current coach in 5-10 years.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:08 am to bamasgot13
Family friend played at Alabama with Dabo, thinks that if Alabama prioritized him he would leave Clemson. It would have to be "Dabo, we need you and only you, we aren't even flirting with other girls" kind of pitch though
Urban Meyer isn't leaving Ohio St for Alabama. He is becoming a giant in his own right, he'd downgrade to a Les Miles/Larry Coker inherited juggernaut if he came to Alabama.
I think a few years down the road, DJ Durkin at Maryland would be a great hire. Learned defense from Muschamp, learned coaching from harbaugh and he understand the importance of recruiting.
Urban Meyer isn't leaving Ohio St for Alabama. He is becoming a giant in his own right, he'd downgrade to a Les Miles/Larry Coker inherited juggernaut if he came to Alabama.
I think a few years down the road, DJ Durkin at Maryland would be a great hire. Learned defense from Muschamp, learned coaching from harbaugh and he understand the importance of recruiting.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:05 pm to Triple Daves
quote:That was me. It's way up on the list of why I like him.
And like someone said above, he would not be Saban. He has his own very distinct philosophy and management style, one that he is very comfortable with and that he will institute wherever he goes. I think that would actually help him quite a bit following a guy like Saban in that he wouldn't be looked at as "Saban Jr" like a McElwain or Smart would, having every move compared back to Saban.
But he also recruits like crazy. He gets great QBs and skill players. He gets DOMINANT players on the DL.
His underdog thing can largely be blamed on him coaching at Clemson. And them sucking arse and him being a young, upstart out of nowhere coach. Rah rah is what works in that situation. As Clemson establishes themselves, he's slowly losing some of the rah rah shite.
Dude has been scooting around in the Intercepter. At Alabama, he'll be captain of the Black mfing Pearl. Yes, I just watched Pirates of the Caribbean.
Seriously though, it blows my mind that people aren't sold on him. And it blows my mind that people can't take a step back and realize why he has been coaching the way he has. And it blows my mind that people completely gloss over his success and say they don't want him because he yelled at a kid, twice.
Dabo's floor at Alabama is VERY high, imo. And his ceiling is too.
And does nobody think about the team being made up of kids? I'm sure they LOVE playing for Saban. But he's tough as shite, guys. Nothing wrong with that, but it's true. The players already on the team would most likely love playing for Dabo. That's a big part of keeping the winning up. There needs to be a feeling of a new beginning with intensity and excitement. Dabo fits that to a T.
Y'all want some Saban clone who isn't as good? That's absurd to me. Think about this. The best coach in CFB history could leave a program, and the new coach could actually make things more exciting and breathe energy into it. I believe the drastic change in culture is EXACTLY what's needed to keep the winning going. Dabo is perfect. Come in, be loud as frick, and let everyone know that Alabama is still gonna bust some goddamn asses.
You wanna see shite get stale? And see Alabama become somewhat of old news? Hire a wannabe Saban clone.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:09 pm to ReauxlTide222
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You wanna see shite get stale? And see Alabama become somewhat of old news? Hire a wannabe Saban clone.
Yea - it's the worst idea of all the bad ideas. Every single thing they did would be compared to the way Saban did it, and they would never be as good at it as Saban, because Saban is the greatest coach in college football history.
I don't think we should ACTIVELY look for someone with a different philosophy and mindset than Saban, but I've become convinced that it would probably be the best way to go. And I say this as a guy who 18 months ago was 100% opposed to the notion of Dabo becoming our coach.
Like I said, I really think that outside of being good at their job, the most IMPORTANT aspect of the next coach will be that they have their own concrete program philosophy and that they are stubbornly confident and committed to it.
Great post, and I 100% agree with your assessment of keeping the program great.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:14 pm to ReauxlTide222
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it blows my mind that people aren't sold on him.
It blows my mind that these same folks talk like it's a lock that he'd come to Alabama if offered.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:16 pm to CrimsonTideMD
quote:True. My dad is convinced that he wants to stay at Clemson and build his legacy there. But, the hell does my dad know?
It blows my mind that these same folks talk like it's a lock that he'd come to Alabama if offered.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:18 pm to Triple Daves
I'd have to do more research, but Petersen just keeps winning.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:18 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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It blows my mind that these same folks talk like it's a lock that he'd come to Alabama if offered.
I agree there too - I think, based on what I've read from serious people who know him and his family, that we could lure him if we did it the right way, but people take that for granted.
He has MADE Clemson what it is today. That is HIS program. They love him there, he loves it there, he has built a culture there. He loves Alabama, of that I'm sure, but he loves Clemson too. A lot. We wouldn't just be able to walk up and say "Aight Dabo, lets go".
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