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Posted on 2/18/17 at 10:04 am
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 10:04 am
Any O Line experts want to chime in on this? I know the general philosophis of both but am interested in what out current rosters skillset is more apt to do well.

Since it sounds like we will move back to that based on the Patriot system, what do you think are the pros and cons?
This post was edited on 2/18/17 at 10:50 am
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 10:22 am to
Pendry and Stoutland both ran heavy zoneblocking concepts.

Zone, gap, and man all used...
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 10:31 am to
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 10:34 am to
I'm not an expert, but I do think we'll probably stick primarily to zone blocking, with a mix of some man-oriented blocking like we have now. Zone blocking is not all incompatible with a power running game.

We still do some man-oriented blocking (some pulls, traps, etc.) on some non-option runs, typically called more when Bo was on the field. Harris' skills seem to fit better than Bo's for zone-read options. The Patriots (among other other NFL teams) also use zone blocking, perhaps as much as we do.

I think with Jalen's & Tua's running skills, the zone-read option runs & RPOs will remain an important part the offense. Our offense is not really as different from the Patriots' as many tend to think. The main difference is that theirs is oriented to fit Tom Brady instead of a DT-QB.

I think the main reasons our running game wasn't quite as good as usual in 2016 (besides Bo being injured some) were the guard positions and inadequate passing game threat. No doubt, a lot of the focus this off-season will be on improving in those areas. We have a roster full of talented receivers that we must take better advantage of. We must get the balance back on offense.

One thing to consider is that our offensive nomenclature and terminology was simplified through the work done by/with Kiseau in the move to no-huddle, so it may differ from that of the Patriots. If so, do we switch to Daboll's or does he switch to ours?
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Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 11:48 am to
Confirmed: Saban Hires Brian Daboll as Offensive Coordinator | RollBamaRoll
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The coaching staff is in place, now it’s time to get to work.

After a week of speculation, we can now confirm that Alabama has hired New England tight ends coach Brian Daboll to run the offense:

Daboll returned to the Patriots as a coaching assistant in 2013 and had been the tight ends coach since 2014, leading a group that included star Rob Gronkowski.

The Ontario native has also been a quarterbacks coach for the New York Jets (2007-08) and the offensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns (2009-10), Miami Dolphins (2011) and Kansas City Chiefs (2012).

OK, let’s get this out of the way.

Every one of the offenses that Daboll coordinated were putrid. In fact, every head coach that Daboll worked for during that period was fired, and offensive ineptitude was a major driving factor in each case. There is reason for concern given his history as a play-caller. Likewise, since Daboll has worked almost exclusively in the NFL, he has no recruiting background. On the surface this move is something of a head scratcher.

Needless to say, Nick Saban has earned a certain amount of trust from the fanbase. He gave Daboll his first coaching job as a graduate assistant and, when Bill Belichick was building his initial staff in New England, Saban recommended Daboll to his mentor and friend. Daboll has been with Belichick in New England for 11 of his 17 seasons in the league. Saban knows exactly what he’s getting in Daboll, and in the end that was the key to the hire.

So, what will the offense look like?

The New England offense is built around the principles of the Erhardt-Perkins system, favoring simplified terminology and a scheme built around perfect execution of a few basic concepts, that can each be run out of multiple formations and personnel groups, rather than a thick playbook. Backs and receivers are virtually plug-and-play outside, and a strong ball control running game is the nucleus.

From Grantland: The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback. In other systems, even if the underlying principles are the exact same, the play and its name might be very different. Rather than juggling all this information in real time, an Erhardt-Perkins quarterback only has to read a given arrangement of receivers. “You can cut down on the plays and get different looks from your formations and who’s in them. It’s easier for the players to learn. It’s easier for the quarterback to learn,” former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis said back in 2000. “You get different looks without changing his reads. You don’t need an open-ended number of plays.”

Considering the youth at the quarterback position, it makes perfect sense that Saban would want a more simplified scheme. The bulk of his infamous “arse-chewings” of Kiffin were typically following mistakes that were at least partially attributable to trying to play at a faster pace or cute play-calling. In terms of style, expect the 2017 offense to look much more like the 2012 unit than 2016.

This isn’t to say that the scheme will be vanilla and boring. There is plenty of room for trick plays, and the athleticism at the QB position should help to extend plays and push the ball down the field. Up front, New England is primarily a “power” blocking team that mixes in a few inside and outside zone runs as opposed to the virtually exclusive zone blocking seen in Tuscaloosa over the past few seasons.

Of course, zone blocking allows the use of the QB read option and is a better fit with the RPOs that are heavily used in college due to the relaxed ineligible receiver rules. With the dual threat at QB, one has to imagine that there will be a place for these concepts.

For better or worse, Saban has his man. Daboll and Co-OC Mike Locksley have about a month to get a scheme together for spring practice. Their respective backgrounds would suggest that Locksley is likely to coach the quarterbacks while Daboll handles the WRs, but that will obviously be Saban’s call. In any event, they will have the best offensive skill talent in the country at their disposal. Let’s hope they can find a way to maximize it.

Welcome to Tuscaloosa, Brian.

Roll Tide.
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

Pendry and Stoutland both ran heavy zoneblocking concepts. Zone, gap, and man all used...


Good stuff. I readily admit that I know almost nothing about offensive line play, strategy or how to decipher when a guy is doing his job or isn't (outside of obvious things).

Posted by CrimsonCrusade
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 12:56 pm to
I don't follow the NFL, but I'm pretty sure that they do zone on every play at that level. Never really see pulls/traps etc. in the NFL. The game in general has become very zone heavy. I'd expect that from Daboll's scheme.

The main positive of zone blocking is it allows the linemen more freedom. They aren't bound to a certain man and can move downfield with less hesitation if there's no one in the zone. The downside to this is your linemen need good awareness and football IQ, unlike in man where you've got an assigned guy. That doesn't take much thought. For this reason, we almost always were in man when I was playing guard in high school.
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

I don't follow the NFL, but I'm pretty sure that they do zone on every play at that level. Never really see pulls/traps etc. in the NFL. The game in general has become very zone heavy. I'd expect that from Daboll's scheme.


You are right, they do, but some places are much more heavily invested in it than others.

For example, one of Atlanta and Shannahan's biggest things was their almost 100% wide, athletic zone blocking. They had a large turnover of lineman the offseason before his first year to get the right guys in at guard for it, because there are definitely specialist linemen who move from zone team to zone team (Andy Levitre is one from Atlanta who was in a more man/power scheme in Tennessee, got cut, and has been great in Atlanta).
Posted by Cobrasize
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 1:00 pm to
If we can't get a right guard then it doesn't matter what we run.
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

The main positive of zone blocking is it allows the linemen more freedom. They aren't bound to a certain man and can move downfield with less hesitation if there's no one in the zone. The downside to this is your linemen need good awareness and football IQ, unlike in man where you've got an assigned guy. That doesn't take much thought. For this reason, we almost always were in man when I was playing guard in high school.



Interesting - yea reading that article I linked and the long discussion with Vlachos about how their scheme worked and how it fit in the overall pantheon of offensive line schemes was really interesting.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/18/17 at 1:10 pm to
That is a good article. Bookmarked it.
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