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No offensive identity, rhythm, or game plan whatesoever
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:59 pm
The play calls are completely disjointed, have no real plan, no continuity, don't flow into each other at all.
You need to put together a game plan and package of plays that work best with your personnel but instead we just seem to be calling random plays with no real discernible strategy or theme.
You need to put together a game plan and package of plays that work best with your personnel but instead we just seem to be calling random plays with no real discernible strategy or theme.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 8:26 pm
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Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:03 pm to IAmReality
I really think a big part of it is because running a HUNH is new to Kiffin. I don't think he is able to get into a rhythm. Last year Cooper and Sims scrambling bailed us out more than we wanted to admit.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:07 pm to IAmReality
Honestly, the execution of the plays worries me more than the calls themselves from this game.
The game plan for this game was to scrimmage. We wanted to find out what worked and what didn't. After all, there was little chance that ULM was beating us today, so why not try different plays?
I am worried that we looked like dog shite in execution, particularly on the offensive line. Drops can be fixed with time and chemistry. Whiffs on the oline are a far deeper problem.
The game plan for this game was to scrimmage. We wanted to find out what worked and what didn't. After all, there was little chance that ULM was beating us today, so why not try different plays?
I am worried that we looked like dog shite in execution, particularly on the offensive line. Drops can be fixed with time and chemistry. Whiffs on the oline are a far deeper problem.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:09 pm to IAmReality
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The play calls are completely disjointed, have no real plan, don't flow into each other at all.
You need to put together a game plan and package of plays that work best with your personnel but instead we just seem to be calling random plays with no real discernible strategy or theme.
In order to have flow, your players have to make some plays, like complete a pass every now and again. Kiffin has shown at every stop that he can dial up beautiful damn near transcendent sequences, but frick, you can't continually screw up step 2 and 4 and hope to get to 12.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:12 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Oh the execution is terrible too. Dropped passed, missed blocks, bad throws, etc.
I think you gotta call plays to sort of account for that. We need to be as vanilla as possible. Screen passes, quick outs, etc.
I think you gotta call plays to sort of account for that. We need to be as vanilla as possible. Screen passes, quick outs, etc.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:18 pm to IAmReality
I'll give you quick outs and slants, but screens are complicated in their own way, and I don't think going deep against inferior one-on-one coverage is "complex". Coker and his receivers just can't connect for whatever reason. Even when he hits them in stride (not often) they drop the damn ball like its covered in KY jelly.
Those quick outs? They're either thrown where the receiver used to be...or will never get...or thrown so damn hard they bounce off his chest and 10 feet into the air.
It's infuriating. What the hell did they work on all off season? Did they not throw and catch at all?
Those quick outs? They're either thrown where the receiver used to be...or will never get...or thrown so damn hard they bounce off his chest and 10 feet into the air.
It's infuriating. What the hell did they work on all off season? Did they not throw and catch at all?
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:25 pm to IAmReality
This game was pretty much a scrimmage game and the play calling was very vanilla. I felt as though I was watching an A-Day scrimmage.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:33 pm to IAmReality
I was completely discouraged by today's performance until the very end of the game when I saw a miracle. Jake Coker went under center a bit on the last drive, we had some success running the ball, and the defense finally respected the run enough that Jake was able to roll out and hit a predetermined receiver (Stewart) for a TD. It wasn't much, but it was progress.
Meanwhile to our dismay, we also mounted further evidence supporting the theory that our offensive line, while talented, is being completely misguided. This has actually been the case since 2013, although it was largely forgiven the last two years based on factors other than Mario Cristobal's individual performance. (2013: Had to follow act of 2012 line. 2014: Line had to adapt to new offense.) It was quite maddening to see the line getting pushed around in the first half against ULM.
Meanwhile to our dismay, we also mounted further evidence supporting the theory that our offensive line, while talented, is being completely misguided. This has actually been the case since 2013, although it was largely forgiven the last two years based on factors other than Mario Cristobal's individual performance. (2013: Had to follow act of 2012 line. 2014: Line had to adapt to new offense.) It was quite maddening to see the line getting pushed around in the first half against ULM.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:38 pm to IAmReality
Offensive plays are called as if they didn't watch any film on the other team. They call the same few plays over and over, no matter how much they aren't working. Then they call plays that aren't suited to pick up the yards Alabama needs if the play is covered even halfway right. We have just few enough pass blockers to be unable to get a pass game going, and just few enough run blockers to not get full production from our backs without them making outstanding plays. Receivers dropping passes and making bad decisions like running away from the first down marker to try and make a play. Kiffin doesn't play to Alabama's strengths. The HUNH is NOT BUILT FOR THIS OFFENSE. I think it was a terrible move. They mishandled the QB battle horribly, and I still don't think Coker is the guy. But then again, they won't forge a gameplan that will allow him to be successful. I think if they were going to play Coker, they needed to play to his strengths. And by that I mean rarely taking shots down the field (Yes. I know he has an arm. But we can't get open anymore and if we did Coker would under or overthrow) and passing sparingly. But we're not. They're trying to make him a play maker, and he isn't. I mean we're throwing 15 screens a game, when Coker doesn't even have the release for them to be successful. It's really just a mess. Here we are 4th game of the season, and we're still talking about quarterback battles and our offensive identity. I apologize if anyone thinks this makes me a bad fan and I know I'm complaining a lot, but these are just my observations.
Special teams is still bad. Bobby Williams really needs to be replaced. Did anyone here think that under Nick Saban in 2014 and 15 we'd be on the edge of our seats for every single form of special teams play by either team?
Special teams is still bad. Bobby Williams really needs to be replaced. Did anyone here think that under Nick Saban in 2014 and 15 we'd be on the edge of our seats for every single form of special teams play by either team?
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:42 pm to ConnorTide
All valid points, man.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:56 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
On a positive note, I don't think I saw a single jet sweep.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 7:30 am to ConnorTide
I agree with everything you said. Kiffin needs to simplify the playcalling, but i dont think he is capable of doing it. If we just play like in 2009, we will have the chance to win all remaining games with a mediocre QB and O line.
If we continue to playcall like Jake is Aaron Rodgers, we could lose 4 or 5.
CNS needs to be the one to make it happen.
If we continue to playcall like Jake is Aaron Rodgers, we could lose 4 or 5.
CNS needs to be the one to make it happen.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 7:45 am to paul02085
Coker is playing good enough. It's Freshwater's refusal to run the ball. It's cost us twice against Ole Miss.
And the zone blocking concepts have to be the stupidest shite ever inflicted on modern football (scratch that: running the ball out of the shotgun formation).
And the zone blocking concepts have to be the stupidest shite ever inflicted on modern football (scratch that: running the ball out of the shotgun formation).
Posted on 9/27/15 at 7:59 am to IAmReality
It's the combination that's the killer. You're playing with a totally different QB than last year, a guy that can't make the plays Sims did. None of your WRs are named Amari. Jake's not playing well on top of the fact that your OL has been rather piss poor. And when Coker finally makes a decent throw your WRs beat the ball up instead of catching it.
As already stated: this will continue until they start executing. No way Kiffin will find any rhythm when he's scratching his head trying to find "feel good" plays instead of GOOD play calls.
As already stated: this will continue until they start executing. No way Kiffin will find any rhythm when he's scratching his head trying to find "feel good" plays instead of GOOD play calls.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:55 am to 615tider
I agree totally..
bama is going to blow this years derrick henry.
The same as lsu blew fournette's freshmen year.
By asking a avg qb to make all the plays the spread requires..
Just like lsu this year.
Bama needs to run more pro set..
The play action will give Coker more time..
Also bama needs to quit trying to make # 13 a deep threat.kid is catch and run wr.
If it's coker att QB and he gonna sling that slow delivery..Then there gonna be more jump ball plays down field..
we have asked 13 and 3 to make those types of plays..
that's not there strength in those situations..
That's more for Sims and 23 or even 16..80
Henry and more pro-set offense..bigger Wr's..
If Bo Scar had not gotten so big..I would play him at wr as well...Another bigger target for coker release..
I think the staff loves 13..But think about it..
Was 23 more of a dual position kid..
I like 13..I just think we need to go bigger at wr and 23 was just as much a 4-5 star kid as well.
bama is going to blow this years derrick henry.
The same as lsu blew fournette's freshmen year.
By asking a avg qb to make all the plays the spread requires..
Just like lsu this year.
Bama needs to run more pro set..
The play action will give Coker more time..
Also bama needs to quit trying to make # 13 a deep threat.kid is catch and run wr.
If it's coker att QB and he gonna sling that slow delivery..Then there gonna be more jump ball plays down field..
we have asked 13 and 3 to make those types of plays..
that's not there strength in those situations..
That's more for Sims and 23 or even 16..80
Henry and more pro-set offense..bigger Wr's..
If Bo Scar had not gotten so big..I would play him at wr as well...Another bigger target for coker release..
I think the staff loves 13..But think about it..
Was 23 more of a dual position kid..
I like 13..I just think we need to go bigger at wr and 23 was just as much a 4-5 star kid as well.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:31 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Coker is playing good enough.
I'm telling you, it is going to be tough sledding next week with Coker.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 1:08 pm to Funky Tide 8
It would be tough sledding with GMac, AJ, or Blake.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:32 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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It would be tough sledding with GMac, AJ, or Blake.
The receivers are certainly not playing their best but I don't know why some people need to pretend that Coker is not a huge step back from those guys.
It's not a personal attack against him, it's just reality.
The guy is just not as skilled or as an effective QB as any of those guys you mentioned.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:59 pm to IAmReality
I don't think Coker is a huge step back. Although, I agree he is the worst of the group. I think Freshwater continually puts him in positions that are tougher to succeed.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:31 pm to IAmReality
To me, the line is by far the most distressing thing about this team
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