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NIL and transfers
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:27 pm
I've seen a lot of handwringing on here regarding our NIL program given the number of transfers we have seen over the past week. On the surface I understand that it makes us look like we can't compete, but when you stop and think it maybe is not as concerning as it might first appear. Because we are one of the very few teams whose players can transfer out at the moment, we aren't competing with everyone else on a level playing field. It is essentially our NIL program versus everyone else's combined. Most teams that have taken players from us have taken one, maybe two at most. That means they're looking at giving raises to only one or two players. Pretty affordable for them. Meanwhile, to compete, we would have to give raises to essentially half our roster. We can't do that, obviously, and even picking and choosing one or two players to try and keep by beating their offers would only send the message to the rest of the roster that we can be extorted for more money. It wouldn't surprise me if DeBoer told the team straight up that NIL deals would not be reworked during this window specifically because of that. Just the world we live in now.
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:48 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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On the surface I understand that it makes us look like we can't compete, but when you stop and think it maybe is not as concerning as it might first appear. Because we are one of the very few teams whose players can transfer out at the moment, we aren't competing with everyone else on a level playing field. It is essentially our NIL program versus everyone else's combined.
Thank you!
I've been telling the low IQ kids this for a week. This is a huge part of NIL/portal that needs to be fixed. There are ZERO penalties for tampering, and our roster is completely open to be raided by the entire country.
IMHO, there should be compensation for having your players bought during the "special" window. Perhaps allowing us to shop during the same period as well, up to the number of players acquired from us during that 30 day period.
ETA - Or just eliminate the special window entirely. There are already two periods for portal entry.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:52 pm to Evolved Simian
Proctor to Iowa?
WTF?
Edit. He's from there. Nevermind.
WTF?
Edit. He's from there. Nevermind.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:53 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Proctor to Iowa? WTF?
Dude, that’s his home, had nothing to do with money…
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:55 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Proctor to Iowa?
WTF?
It's where he's from, where his girlfriend is, and supposedly they were offering him more NIL than us coming out of high school.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 3:29 pm to TheTideMustRoll
When the portal is open, Alabama's roster is always open to every team in the nation. The only difference when it's open for every team, Alabama can raid other teams roster.
Really, it's much easier for Alabama now. Just keep the stars on the team, Alabama doesn't even have to worry about getting NIL deals together for new players. They just have to keep the ones already on the team.
Alabama NIL is a massive failure right now. If Alabama cannot outbid Ohio St for it's best player, then look for the best Alabama players to leave every year.
Really, it's much easier for Alabama now. Just keep the stars on the team, Alabama doesn't even have to worry about getting NIL deals together for new players. They just have to keep the ones already on the team.
Alabama NIL is a massive failure right now. If Alabama cannot outbid Ohio St for it's best player, then look for the best Alabama players to leave every year.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 6:48 pm to remaster916
"Even after I was doing bad in the SEC and struggling, they hit me up and said ‘We’re proud of you, you’re gonna get through this.’ And that’s what ultimately helped me with my decision.”
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Iowa hit him up during the season?
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Iowa hit him up during the season?
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:53 am to TheTideMustRoll
Bingo. Nothing could have been done to prevent this. All the whining about Kiffin or T-Rob wouldn’t have changed any of this. With the 30 day window, Bama would have had to break the NIL bank to keep all the transfers. Ohio State can double Downs package with little impact on their overall fund, Texas with Bond and NiBlack, Iowa with Proctor, etc. No way Bama could compete. We tried to keep Downs and lost. But Overall seems like a good strategy to me. We have to think of these players as investments and make the best use of our capital overall.
Another factor To consider. Does Bama have any Billionaire boosters? I do t think so. Aubie Has 1 with Jimmy Raines. Georgia has over 10. Ohio State has over 10. Texas has a ridiculous amount because of Oil Money. Bama has to be very strategic and it appears to me that Byrne gets this and that was part Of his decision process to hire DeBoer and Courtney Morgan. Value investing. Will it work out? Too soon to tell, but I can understand the strategy.
Also, a revenue sharing model seems like the best hope
For Bama long Term. We can’t
Compete with the Texas and Georgia from a collective perspective , but it it comes
To
Overall revenue sharing, we can compete with anyone so long as NIL is brought under some
Reasonable governance.
Another factor To consider. Does Bama have any Billionaire boosters? I do t think so. Aubie Has 1 with Jimmy Raines. Georgia has over 10. Ohio State has over 10. Texas has a ridiculous amount because of Oil Money. Bama has to be very strategic and it appears to me that Byrne gets this and that was part Of his decision process to hire DeBoer and Courtney Morgan. Value investing. Will it work out? Too soon to tell, but I can understand the strategy.
Also, a revenue sharing model seems like the best hope
For Bama long Term. We can’t
Compete with the Texas and Georgia from a collective perspective , but it it comes
To
Overall revenue sharing, we can compete with anyone so long as NIL is brought under some
Reasonable governance.
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:19 pm to remaster916
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If Alabama cannot outbid Ohio St for it's best player, then look for the best Alabama players to leave every year.
You think Alabama has OSU money? When the huge $$ guys graduated 50 years ago, Bama had 13,000 students. OSU had over 50,000. Bama will NEVER have the money OSU has.
You might as well just take that stupid idea and pop it back in your head.
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Alabama NIL is a massive failure right now
Yes, in large part because Alabama fans have been spoiled by Saban. If we want to compete in the future, we're going to have to pony up the money to pay for it like everybody else. That means mobilizing funds from donors MUCH more effectively than we have been.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:01 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:09 am to Evolved Simian
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If we want to compete in the future, we're going to have to pony up the money to pay for it like everybody else.
I seem to recall a ranking posted on here a while back that showed we had one of the top 3 or 4 NIL programs in the nation. But thinking about what you said really illustrates just how stupid this entire setup is. NFL fans fund the huge salaries that their favorite teams' players get paid, but they do that through buying tickets and merchandise and tuning into games. College football fans do all of those same things for their teams, but because of the way the system works none of that counts towards the ability of those teams to bring in players. The fans have to donate extra money on top of what they already spend. Just ridiculous.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:16 am to TheTideMustRoll
I think there are 2 things that the last 2 weeks should show us
(1) When you recruit at the level we recruited at, and with the message we recruited with, you are inherently susceptible to losing a ton of kids in a situation like this. We sold kids on coming to Alabama to be taught the game of football, learn how to be pros and ultimately win titles and get drafted. A few of the kids we sold that vision to were kids from the state who loved the University anyway. A few came here and fell in love with the University. The majority of them were here to win football games and get to the NFL. When the coaches left, the thing they came to left. ESPECIALLY the younger guys who hadn't built bonds or established roots. This exact same situation would happen if Kirby left tomorrow.
(2) Our NIL is absolutely behind, but more so because NIL was born during the Saban era and less because we're all poor and can't pay anyone anything. I think it's absolutely true that we got a "Saban Discount" with a bunch of kids over NIL. I also think even that was coming to a close. Other programs immediately threw their weight into NIL when it became a legal option because it was an opportunity for them (Ole Miss, Tennessee, A&M, etc). We did some NIL stuff, but we weren't desperately looking for new opportunity and we did enough to keep signing elite kids. However, now that Saban is gone, we are looking up and realizing we're pretty far behind in NIL infrastructure, giving, etc. Other programs have their situations humming and we are kind of starting from scratch. I think we'll end up being ok (not the best, but fine), but it is gonna take a little bit of time to get it humming.
(1) When you recruit at the level we recruited at, and with the message we recruited with, you are inherently susceptible to losing a ton of kids in a situation like this. We sold kids on coming to Alabama to be taught the game of football, learn how to be pros and ultimately win titles and get drafted. A few of the kids we sold that vision to were kids from the state who loved the University anyway. A few came here and fell in love with the University. The majority of them were here to win football games and get to the NFL. When the coaches left, the thing they came to left. ESPECIALLY the younger guys who hadn't built bonds or established roots. This exact same situation would happen if Kirby left tomorrow.
(2) Our NIL is absolutely behind, but more so because NIL was born during the Saban era and less because we're all poor and can't pay anyone anything. I think it's absolutely true that we got a "Saban Discount" with a bunch of kids over NIL. I also think even that was coming to a close. Other programs immediately threw their weight into NIL when it became a legal option because it was an opportunity for them (Ole Miss, Tennessee, A&M, etc). We did some NIL stuff, but we weren't desperately looking for new opportunity and we did enough to keep signing elite kids. However, now that Saban is gone, we are looking up and realizing we're pretty far behind in NIL infrastructure, giving, etc. Other programs have their situations humming and we are kind of starting from scratch. I think we'll end up being ok (not the best, but fine), but it is gonna take a little bit of time to get it humming.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
All of that.
Also, I feel like teams might follow some of what we see in baseball and in yours they’re close to having a championship team, they’ll go all out in NIL(like we’ve seen the Marlins do in the past).
OSU, Texas, and FSU all seem to be in that mode or maybe even a little desperation mode. Alabama’s roster became available at the perfect time for them.
Also, I feel like teams might follow some of what we see in baseball and in yours they’re close to having a championship team, they’ll go all out in NIL(like we’ve seen the Marlins do in the past).
OSU, Texas, and FSU all seem to be in that mode or maybe even a little desperation mode. Alabama’s roster became available at the perfect time for them.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:37 am to ReauxlTide222
Downs has always liked OSU and I believe the only reason he came to UA was Saban. So not hard to understand why he went to OSU.
This is DeBoer team now and hopefully when he wants a player like after spring the money will be there.
This is DeBoer team now and hopefully when he wants a player like after spring the money will be there.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:39 am to TheTideMustRoll
Who cares? Its not college football anymore, I quit watching in 2020. One day you all will get it, you are supporting what has become a pro sport where you and yours, and every team in the South save maybe Florida and Texas will get out bid for players.
Should have never started paying them, I was all for dropping the Scholarships all together, Why/ THINK, these same clowns thinking of suing for NIL would have said, hold on, hold. on, hold on, we do not want to take away scholarships from all these black players. The NCAA did not think this through.
It will get worse from here until you have like 25 to 30 teams that can compete, and it will not be Alabama nor Auburn, nor LSU, nor Arkansas.
Mark my words. It will be Rutgers, USC, Texas, Oregon with NIKE, and everyone else will be also rans.
Wake up.
Should have never started paying them, I was all for dropping the Scholarships all together, Why/ THINK, these same clowns thinking of suing for NIL would have said, hold on, hold. on, hold on, we do not want to take away scholarships from all these black players. The NCAA did not think this through.
It will get worse from here until you have like 25 to 30 teams that can compete, and it will not be Alabama nor Auburn, nor LSU, nor Arkansas.
Mark my words. It will be Rutgers, USC, Texas, Oregon with NIKE, and everyone else will be also rans.
Wake up.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:48 am to TTOWN RONMON
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I quit watching in 2020.
I’m confused as to why you’re here?
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:40 pm to TideWarrior
quote:Exactly.
This is DeBoer team now and hopefully when he wants a player like after spring the money will be there.
Hopefully we’re a little more prepared to compete for recruits in the coming future.
It’s a big part of what I mean when I keep saying we didn’t have a plan. It didn’t seem like we had any plan(or the ability) to adequately compensate some of the big names that were getting offers 24 hours after Saban retired.
I think Saban should have given the money folks some time to see what they could come up with before retiring, triggering an instant auction house for our roster.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 3:37 pm to TTOWN RONMON
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It will get worse from here until you have like 25 to 30 teams that can compete, and it will not be Alabama nor Auburn, nor LSU, nor Arkansas.
Ridiculous. Alabama football routinely brings in top 3 revenue in the country. The problem right now is that players are paid like pros but the system is regulated as if they are still amateurs, so none of that revenue can be used to bring in talent and schools are dependent on a handful of super-rich donors to pay players. We are rapidly heading towards a system where the players will become employees of their universities, and at that point it will be regulated as such which will solve a lot of the problems with the sport as it stands right now. I'd prefer to go back to the old way too, but that's not possible, so we just need to hurry the evolution along to get to its new final form.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 6:30 pm to Evolved Simian
NIL and transfer portal is what it is. Lots of people wanted it, with no thoughts to what it would become. "Let them eat cake."
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:11 pm to 1BamaRTR
Because I watch CBB and Baseball and was a bigger football fan (probably) than anyone here. Its become a JOKE and I can voice my opinion unto that. I was born in Tuscaloosa. I know every big win all the way back to the 20s.
So, how is it I saw this coming in 2020, was fed up then, and no one else seems to have saw what was going to happen to the sport? You might want to listen.
I have been a preacher called unto prophecy for 40 years, I played Chess really well as a teen, 1455 rating, some people jus have a gift for seeing things that seems like riddles to others.
In 10 years you will finally see what I am saying now, then you guys can keep down voting. But I saw it coming, you didn't, its goin t get worse. Kids need discipline, no one can do that now, they will just threaten to move on. Saban quit because he saw it becoming the joke it is, I don't blame him.
I have kinfolks who work at the University. I stated a week or so ago about 25 players wanted their NIL reworked after the game, I got down votes galore, then it came out in the last 4 or 5 days that this actually went down, no one is saying 25 entered is office and once, its just the NUMBER of players who wanted MORE MONEY.
Seems my sources were spot on. You do not interview incoming coaches in the morning then retire in the evening.
I can enjoy the other sports, and rail against what has happened to a sport I used to support all at the same time.
So, how is it I saw this coming in 2020, was fed up then, and no one else seems to have saw what was going to happen to the sport? You might want to listen.
I have been a preacher called unto prophecy for 40 years, I played Chess really well as a teen, 1455 rating, some people jus have a gift for seeing things that seems like riddles to others.
In 10 years you will finally see what I am saying now, then you guys can keep down voting. But I saw it coming, you didn't, its goin t get worse. Kids need discipline, no one can do that now, they will just threaten to move on. Saban quit because he saw it becoming the joke it is, I don't blame him.
I have kinfolks who work at the University. I stated a week or so ago about 25 players wanted their NIL reworked after the game, I got down votes galore, then it came out in the last 4 or 5 days that this actually went down, no one is saying 25 entered is office and once, its just the NUMBER of players who wanted MORE MONEY.
Seems my sources were spot on. You do not interview incoming coaches in the morning then retire in the evening.
I can enjoy the other sports, and rail against what has happened to a sport I used to support all at the same time.
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