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re: Mizzou BS has permeated the Capstone: Prez to meet with SGA Pres.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:05 am to chattabama
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:05 am to chattabama
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What exactly does a diversity office do that couldn't be addressed at the counseling center,
Nothing.
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Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:26 am to pvilleguru
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What exactly does a diversity office do that couldn't be addressed at the counseling center,
Remember, this crap gained momentum because the admin. at Mizzou blew it off and they felt like they weren't responsive enough...I agree its ridiculous but the idea is to get out in front and diffuse it.
I don't know if these SJW types will ever be 100% placated but at least you can point and say we addressed it....and if they want to continue to tilt at windmills they will just look more and more ridiculous.
Just my opinion
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:29 am to MontyFranklyn
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There aren't any. The problem comes from the racist individuals and the things they do. The ones that have a beef with blacks no matter what. Their presence on the campus is really small, but it is there and felt by some. The University is a brand and they don't want their brand tarnished. They'd rather these people go away than hurt what is established. No one of any reason think there is institutionalized racism on the campus. I think this is where things got cloudy. There are just a few that express their hate and i'm sure the university respects that, but would rather they not be on their campus doing so.
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Exactly. Maybe it's my fault, but I can't figure out what the problem is...or what they want as a solution. It's like they purposefully keep everything vague, in order to keep people from being able to actually address whatever it is that they want addressed. Seriously, what do they want?
What in the world are you trying to say? You didn't say anything. The university rather not have a few people expressing hate? I mean, no shite.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:41 am to stat19
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Race only matters to a racists.
That is the least intelligent rationalization I have ever seen.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:13 pm to bamarep
Anyone reading this from UA Admin, feel free to use. I recommend sending to all current and prospective students and their parents... and post it on the home page of the UA website.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:15 pm to 14&Counting
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and if they want to continue to tilt at windmills they will just look more and more ridiculous.
This is a ridiculous statement when just 2 years ago the University President had to address the sorority recruitment process for its continued exclusion of black females. Now, in previous years this problem was simply ignored, or given meaningless lip service by UA officials, so we have made some progress there.
That situation is what can create the perception of systemic racism. It is far from tilting at windmills. There are actual windmills one can point to to illustrate a potential issue.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:27 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:What I'm saying is that this isn't an institutional racism issue. I think that belief has caused confusion. This is an issue of racism from a small portion of the student body. UA probably would like to see those that would like to be more openly racist go away. Simple.
What in the world are you trying to say? You didn't say anything. The university rather not have a few people expressing hate? I mean, no shite.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
Well yeah, in a perfect world, nobody would be mean to somebody because of their race. But, that will NEVER go away. As a society, we're just about as non racist as we will ever be. So what is to be done about a few racist people? Seriously, what do all these complaining students want(not just at Alabama)? What has been fixed at Missouri? What was wrong in the first place? Are you saying the SGA at Alabama simply wants a few mean people on campus to leave/stop being mean and racist? I don't get it.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:43 pm to Silverback
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That is the least intelligent rationalization I have ever seen.
Then you're a dumbass.
Race isn't about equality, it's about cultural division in order to seize power.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:51 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:I don't know. I perceive Alabama's administration take on it as "we aren't going to tolerate it." That is the University's choice.
Well yeah, in a perfect world, nobody would be mean to somebody because of their race. But, that will NEVER go away. As a society, we're just about as non racist as we will ever be. So what is to be done about a few racist people? Seriously, what do all these complaining students want(not just at Alabama)? What has been fixed at Missouri? What was wrong in the first place? Are you saying the SGA at Alabama simply wants a few mean people on campus to leave/stop being mean and racist? I don't get it.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
I agree with you Monty on your point of we don't want a few bad apples marring our school's reputation, which would hurt our school in a number of ways.
Its just that there really is no way to expose people with racial biases unless they are organizing, acting, recruiting, etc., and I don't think that is happening on our campus.
Its a part of the nature of humans to an extent, and like someone said, our modern society is as good as it gets, IMO. Where does it stop?
Its just that there really is no way to expose people with racial biases unless they are organizing, acting, recruiting, etc., and I don't think that is happening on our campus.
Its a part of the nature of humans to an extent, and like someone said, our modern society is as good as it gets, IMO. Where does it stop?
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
Do black people feel oppressed on our campus? I mean do that many of them want to be in fraternities/sororities? That's the only thing I can think of where it isn't completely equal. In my five years on campus, I've never seen a black person be treated any different than the white, Asian, or other ethnic background kids on campus.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:16 pm to stat19
I've been called much worse by much better: I apologize for not joining your chalky group think
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:17 pm to Funky Tide 8
We ALL have to learn to live and let live. No need to try and oppress anyone on either side. It is horrible what is going on at Mizzou and is going way too far. Now Pinkel is reportedly stepping down. It is a shame. Some people can be so damn selfish.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:38 pm to Bryant91092
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Do black people feel oppressed on our campus? I mean do that many of them want to be in fraternities/sororities?
Probably not on a daily basis, but I can say my black friend that graduated from Bama said he never felt fully accepted there because of the perceived(key word) preferential treatment the predominantly white Greek system received and their exclusion of blacks. He had no interest in joining one, but there's no argument the predominantly white greek organizations control campus politics most years. A lot of that is apathy with the non-greek students and not voting, but it also gives the perception blacks don't have much of a voice there. And I know the current SGA president is black, but even he has had trouble getting people appointed to positions because of opposition from the greeks on the student congress.
It comes down to perception.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:49 pm to The Spleen
Oppression is not being called a mean name. No one on the University of Alabama campus is being oppressed. Minorities are unequivocally the MOST protected demographics on campus.
I would be curious to know how many incidents have been reported in the past few years.
I would be curious to know how many incidents have been reported in the past few years.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:59 pm to Silverback
Son, you know nothing about me. So your statement is willfully ignorant. Since race is your point of focus, would you care to guess at mine? Yeah, you better think again.
Race matters to a person that seeks cultural division for personal gain or someone blind to realize their being duped by a megalomania power shift.
It all comes down to one simple thing, I served my country to protect idiots like you and don't regret it for a second. It would however be comforting if you didn't have to be so damn stupid and spineless.
Race matters to a person that seeks cultural division for personal gain or someone blind to realize their being duped by a megalomania power shift.
It all comes down to one simple thing, I served my country to protect idiots like you and don't regret it for a second. It would however be comforting if you didn't have to be so damn stupid and spineless.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 5:17 pm to stat19
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It all comes down to one simple thing, I served my country to protect idiots like you and don't regret it for a second. It would however be comforting if you didn't have to be so damn stupid and spineless.
If this is all that matters, I served in the Army 24 years. What do I win?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 6:05 pm to The Spleen
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I can say my black friend that graduated from Bama said he never felt fully accepted there because of the perceived(key word) preferential treatment the predominantly white Greek system received and their exclusion of blacks.
What does he expect to happen in the real world? Whites are still the majority in this country. Everything that wants to stay in business caters to the majority.
ETA: What's even crazier to me is these folks at Mizzou are kicking out white protesters for being white, asking for black "safe spaces" including black only bathrooms (!!!), and doing other things that sound an awful lot like going right back to segregation, yet people are defending this nonsense.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 11/13/15 at 6:56 pm to imjustafatkid
"Protecting their brand," okay, fine, but what about the educational mission of a university?
The educational mission of a university is supposed to be the promotion of ideas, no matter how unpopular or offensive. Where would we be if universities shut down helio-centrism and evolution because someone found them offensive?
When I was in school, they taught a Voltaire quote: "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."
The freedom to write unpopular and offensive material is integral to the free flow of ideas, which is the very thing a university is supposed to promote.
The educational mission of a university is supposed to be the promotion of ideas, no matter how unpopular or offensive. Where would we be if universities shut down helio-centrism and evolution because someone found them offensive?
When I was in school, they taught a Voltaire quote: "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."
The freedom to write unpopular and offensive material is integral to the free flow of ideas, which is the very thing a university is supposed to promote.
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