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re: LSU in contact with Kirby Smart to become LSU's next DC

Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:06 pm to
In division, especially LSU or auburn, would really suck, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Lsu would be one of the few place where he'd have similar talent. But there's no doubt it would burn a helluva bridge.

I think Kirby might have gotten too picky. And while he was turning down offers, a few DC's failed at high profile gigs, and now AD's want an OC instead.

I think we'll most likely see one more year of Smart, then he'll take a HC job similar to McElwain. I'd very surprised to see a lateral move he could make with minimal resentment.
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:09 pm to
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Posted by chattabama
It would seem like betrayal if he were to go to LSU. I understand the furthering of his career angle, but there are other places outside of the SECw that he could do that.
I'd care less about Tennessee than LSU, and they're our actual rival. It's been too bitter with LSU since Saban was hired, with way too many tight, intense games.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:13 pm to
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I'd care less about Tennessee than LSU, and they're our actual rival. It's been too bitter with LSU since Saban was hired, with way too many tight, intense games.



I'd be okay with any place but UT and SECw schools. If he was so interested in getting out of CNS shadow, why didn't he throw his hat into the ring when Coach Mac was hiring? I'm sure Mac would have hired him over Collins. Why didn't he take the UGA job last year? South Carolina would probably throw some money at him as well. Like I've said, there are several places that CKS could have gone to where I'd wish him well, and root for him. tSECW is not one of those places.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:17 pm to
Maybe he did inquire about some of those jobs and didn't get offered. There are only so many top programs and even fewer if you exclude the SECw
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:17 pm to
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It would seem like betrayal if he were to go to LSU. I understand the furthering of his career angle, but there are other places outside of the SECw that he could do that.



Meh, I guess I look at it as a man trying to further his career any way possible. I would have no hard feelings.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

Maybe he did inquire about some of those jobs and didn't get offered. There are only so many top programs and even fewer if you exclude the SECw



I have a hard time believing that Coach Mac would turn down CKS. I could see that with the other jobs.
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
5828 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:40 pm to
Kevin Sherrer would have a better shot than Steele imo.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35445 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:51 pm to
I think Steele has "retired" to LB Coach, like several coaches who no longer move up the coaching ladder.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16520 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:28 pm to
Kevin was a former DC and at his age I am pretty confident in saying he aspires to be a DC again
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
6857 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:36 pm to
talk about gall, what's next? Trying to hire away our softball coach?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26957 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:37 pm to
Three pages and I'm still trying to figure out why the frick it's story that LSU reached out to Smart. Kirby Smart has zero control over what schools pick up the phone and reach out to him.

I'll tell you the changes I'd like to see on defense. I'd like to see some badass size, speed, and talent. Hopefully with some of the guys we recruited last year and this year, it's on its way.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24154 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:09 pm to
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Meh, I guess I look at it as a man trying to further his career any way possible. I would have no hard feelings.


I would eventually get to that point after a few days, after some bitching and cussing like a jilted lover. But I would never cheer against Kirby, unless it was against Bama.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24154 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:11 pm to
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Posted by mrbroker
Kevin was a former DC and at his age I am pretty confident in saying he aspires to be a DC again


I'm sure he does, but he was terrible at Clemson. Maybe he's learned his lesson, or might coach differently under Saban. But that would have me worried.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16520 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:24 pm to
NS is loyal and he brought Kevin back as an admin roll several years ago for a reason. When a position opened up on the staff he became an assistant coach. You going to hold Clemson against him. The HC sets the tone on how you play offense and Defense. Don't blame Kevin for Dabo who is all O and cares little about the D. with that being said I have it under pretty good advice that Kevin would be considered the front runner should KS leave. Kirby is one phone call away from potentially getting a HC gig. Kevin is the safety value since he knows the NS D and how to manage it.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:43 pm to
And Lance Thompson is even younger and is also a former DC. He doesn't take a lot of calls for promotions, and he is a coach that was molded under Saban and O'Leary.

At a certain point, you carve out a niche as a position coach rather than a coordinator. You may want to be more, but the calls stop coming eventually for promotions.

Steele has shown more value over the span of his career as a LB coach than he has as a DC. I'd see it more likely Bo Davis would get the call in house over Steele. It does more for Davis' career and he is a Saban bred coach.

That said, I don't think Bama's next DC, whenever the time comes, is on the roster...
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30085 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:56 pm to


I'm confident we would make a good hire to replace him.




I'm glad you are. I'm not.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:44 pm to
I'll post what I wrote the other day in the thread about Bama's lack of speed at LB.

quote:

Alabama has 30 Base defensive alignments. Each one has 10 variations. Each variation has 50-100 defensive plays, plus 10-20 audible checkdowns. Every base, variation, play, and check down has a different assignment each player has to know and perform. My dad saw a 5th of the 2011 defensive playbook because that is what they handed out at the 2012 summer camp. He had a coaching friend who went. He told me it was unbelievable the sheer volume the kids have to learn. Leaves one wondering how they have time for class.

Combine that complexity with Kirby Smart calling adjustments constantly before plays begin, all the way up to when the ball is snapped, and it creates a big problem. 2009 and 2011 defenses had veterans everywhere. The past three years we haven't been able to get a full roster of vets all at the same time. The kids are having to constantly think on the field instead of instinctively knowing where they should be. Makes them hesistate.

Cochran has also started phoning it in. Isn't creating monsters anymore. Lot of players are too big, out of shape, and soft. The amount of relatively minor muscle injuries players sustained this year is indicative of bad S&C. Most fans of other teams don't realize just how many starters Alabama had hurt at one time or another. Way more than the norm.

I'm not saying this about Smart and Cochran because the Tide lost in the playoff his year. I started thinking, and saying, these things in early 2013. I've felt this way about Smart since 2012,actually. Should have let him go and kept Pruitt. Has not been one hint of innovation since Pruitt left. Just a bunch of ole buddies trying the same damn stuff that doesn't work. Bama should simplify the defense, play man with the 4 5 star corners on the outside. Take some lumps while they grow up, and let the front 7 go beast mode.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:15 pm to
I get the sentiment of wanting a different dc, but for every Pruitt out there, there is the chance that we replace Smart with Steele or some other meh hire. I'm not sure I want to risk it this close to NSD.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52684 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:30 pm to
quote:

different assignment each player has to know and perform. My dad saw a 5th of the 2011 defensive playbook because that is what they handed out at the 2012 summer camp. He had a coaching friend who went. He told me it was unbelievable the sheer volume the kids have to learn. Leaves one wondering how they have time for class.

Combine that complexity with Kirby Smart calling adjustments constantly before plays begin, all the way up to when the ball is snapped, and it creates a big problem. 2009 and 2011 defenses had veterans everywhere. The past three years we haven't been able to get a full roster of vets all at the same time. The kids are having to constantly think on the field instead of instinctively knowing where they should be. Makes them hesistate.

Cochran has also started phoning it in. Isn't creating monsters anymore. Lot of players are too big, out of shape, and soft. The amount of relatively minor muscle injuries players sustained this year is indicative of bad S&C. Most fans of other teams don't realize just how many starters Alabama had hurt at one time or another. Way more than the norm.

I'm not saying this about Smart and Cochran because the Tide lost in the playoff his year. I started thinking, and saying, these things in early 2013. I've felt this way about Smart since 2012,actually. Should have let him go and kept Pruitt. Has not been one hint of innovation since Pruitt left. Just a bunch of ole buddies trying the same damn stuff that doesn't work. Bama should simplify the defense, play man with the 4 5 star corners on the outside. Take some lumps while they grow up, and let the front 7 go beast mode.


This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 11:32 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26957 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:40 pm to
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I'll post what I wrote the other day


Why? It doesn't make any more sense today.
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