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Jalen went from a "low IQ" Qb (Bama) to a Prolific Passer (OU) to an near MVP (NFL)
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:41 pm
"Rolls right and throws it out of bounds" ... JALEN.
Can SABAN develop an athletic duel threat QB? Or should he just just stick to the more pellucid pro-style types.
We seem to have a tendency to attribute Milroes slow decision-making to a general dull wittedness.
For the most part we said the same about Hurts.
We tend to think that a fast thinker at qb is just sort of born that way.
Maybe we have no business taking on a project like Milroe. Maybe we are all sort of cut from the same cloth as Bill Obrien when it comes to these super athletes who seem too slow to deal with modern defenses. Just one look and we see a linebacker or a tight end.
"It's too bad. He has such a strong arm and is fast enough to take it to the house at any moment. But the mental makeup isn't there. He's no qb."
In four years, we never taught Jalen the position of QB. Oklahoma and the Philladelphia Eagles made him a qb.
Saban doesn't know how to coach Milroe. Tommy Reese doesn't either. If Sarc had coached him maybe he would miraculously become a quicker decision maker. Or maybe Kiffin.
But we gave him Obrien and Reese.
If you look back at my posting history you will see that I was 100% a Hurts hater from the moment Tua arrived. I was sure he just didn't have the quick mind to play the position at a high level.
"ROLL RIGHT AND THROW IT IN THE STANDS JALEN."
But now I have to say, he was very Fortunate to be benched against Georgia. AND HE WAS fortunate that Tua displaced him.
Because if there had been no Tua and he had stayed with Saban, he would not be where he is today. There just wasn't the expertise on this staff to develop him.
Coach Saban. Maybe you should bring in a QB coach... the right QB coach... and fast.
Can SABAN develop an athletic duel threat QB? Or should he just just stick to the more pellucid pro-style types.
We seem to have a tendency to attribute Milroes slow decision-making to a general dull wittedness.
For the most part we said the same about Hurts.
We tend to think that a fast thinker at qb is just sort of born that way.
Maybe we have no business taking on a project like Milroe. Maybe we are all sort of cut from the same cloth as Bill Obrien when it comes to these super athletes who seem too slow to deal with modern defenses. Just one look and we see a linebacker or a tight end.
"It's too bad. He has such a strong arm and is fast enough to take it to the house at any moment. But the mental makeup isn't there. He's no qb."
In four years, we never taught Jalen the position of QB. Oklahoma and the Philladelphia Eagles made him a qb.
Saban doesn't know how to coach Milroe. Tommy Reese doesn't either. If Sarc had coached him maybe he would miraculously become a quicker decision maker. Or maybe Kiffin.
But we gave him Obrien and Reese.
If you look back at my posting history you will see that I was 100% a Hurts hater from the moment Tua arrived. I was sure he just didn't have the quick mind to play the position at a high level.
"ROLL RIGHT AND THROW IT IN THE STANDS JALEN."
But now I have to say, he was very Fortunate to be benched against Georgia. AND HE WAS fortunate that Tua displaced him.
Because if there had been no Tua and he had stayed with Saban, he would not be where he is today. There just wasn't the expertise on this staff to develop him.
Coach Saban. Maybe you should bring in a QB coach... the right QB coach... and fast.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 2:02 pm
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:44 pm to RiverCityTider
Did you miss Jalen Hurts in 2018 vs UGA in the SEC title game? That was the same Hurts OU got and the same guy in the NFL. He worked on his game and transcended to the player he is today at Alabama in his final year here.
Milroe has to do the same. Fundamentally and mentally.
This notion that OU turned Hurts into the QB he is today is such a casual low IQ take.
Milroe has to do the same. Fundamentally and mentally.
This notion that OU turned Hurts into the QB he is today is such a casual low IQ take.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:48 pm to RiverCityTider
If you are going to develop a QB they need to be developed as much as possible before becoming a starter.
You can't win it all playing with a QB that is "developing" for 3 or 4 yrs.
You can't win it all playing with a QB that is "developing" for 3 or 4 yrs.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:48 pm to EGO3x
That was the only important playing time he saw that year. What about the 3 years before. What about comparing freshman Jalen to Jalen against GA in the NC game. Little if any development.
He doubled his passing yards an Okalhoma and was the Heisman runnerup.
He doubled his passing yards an Okalhoma and was the Heisman runnerup.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:50 pm to EGO3x
Yeah people really downplay the progress he made in 2018 before the left Bama.
The reality is he improved in 2018 at Bama. Further got better at OU. And also had a lot of good coaching in his first 2 years in the NFL to turn him into what he is today
The reality is he improved in 2018 at Bama. Further got better at OU. And also had a lot of good coaching in his first 2 years in the NFL to turn him into what he is today
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:51 pm to RiverCityTider
There’s no secret sauce. The coaches are teaching the QBs all the same shite. You either take it and adjust or don’t.
Hurts finally took steps to transform his game and improve mechanically after losing his job.
It’s up to the player more than anything. You guys put way too much into coaching. It’s obviously an incredibly important aspect but players are responsible ultimately for their own improvement. They have to do it. No one can do it for them.
Hurts finally took steps to transform his game and improve mechanically after losing his job.
It’s up to the player more than anything. You guys put way too much into coaching. It’s obviously an incredibly important aspect but players are responsible ultimately for their own improvement. They have to do it. No one can do it for them.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:54 pm to RiverCityTider
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Coach Saban. Maybe you should bring I'm a QB coach... the right QB coach... and fast
I don’t think Saban is on this forum so I doubt he gets your message.
But… if I was you I would drive to Tuscaloosa and explain things to him. I’m sure he would make time for you.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:55 pm to EGO3x
That's your take. My take is he received better coaching after leaving Bama.
Hurts was always first in and last out. Totally conscientious. To say he finally decided to follow instructions after 3 years is sort of ridiculous.
Hurts was always first in and last out. Totally conscientious. To say he finally decided to follow instructions after 3 years is sort of ridiculous.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:56 pm to RiverCityTider
Your take is wrong.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:58 pm to EGO3x
Your blaming the victim.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:15 pm to RiverCityTider
Jalen and the running backs should have kept running in the CFP Championship Game vs Clemson while still up
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:27 pm to RiverCityTider
2018 was the year the NCAA added an additional position coach. Saban went and got Jalen a dedicated QB coach outside of the OC. He went and hired Dan Enos who worked exclusively with Jalen all off season and in- season on his mechanics and reads.
Jalen developed in 2018 as a redshirt year. He was a totally different player from his two seasons prior.
He would've have been able to do so in 2016 if Blake Barnett wasn't mentally fragile.
Instead Jalen won the job after the USC game and didn't get a chance to learn how to be a QB until 2018.
This is well known. Are you a casual l?
Jalen developed in 2018 as a redshirt year. He was a totally different player from his two seasons prior.
He would've have been able to do so in 2016 if Blake Barnett wasn't mentally fragile.
Instead Jalen won the job after the USC game and didn't get a chance to learn how to be a QB until 2018.
This is well known. Are you a casual l?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:34 pm to BhamDore
I'm not following you.
Jalen never got better as a starter. He road the bench his last year and flashed in the 4th quarter of the SEC championship game.
How does that prove what I'm saying is wrong.
As for going and getting a QB coach. DO IT. RIGHT NOW.
Jalen never got better as a starter. He road the bench his last year and flashed in the 4th quarter of the SEC championship game.
How does that prove what I'm saying is wrong.
As for going and getting a QB coach. DO IT. RIGHT NOW.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:54 pm to RiverCityTider
your op as usual is barely legible. completely incoherent drivel. begging you to post less.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:13 pm to RiverCityTider
To OP
TLDR - Jalen Milroe should go to OU and try to replicate hurts decision and success?
We couldn’t get that lucky
TLDR - Jalen Milroe should go to OU and try to replicate hurts decision and success?
We couldn’t get that lucky
Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:36 pm to RiverCityTider
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That was the only important playing time he saw that year.
It doesn't matter. It shows that your original take that "we never taught him the position of QB" clearly is dog shite. Enos developed Hurts over the course of that whole season. We just didn't need him to come off the bench earlier.
Who the frick do you think taught him what we saw in the SECCG?
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:06 pm to RiverCityTider
As a starter he in 2016 and 2017 we had legendary defenses. He was asked to not lose the game. He was 17 years old when he enrolled at Alabama and had leadership qualities, but was a developmental project. He was never meant to start as a true freshman.
He was meant to redshirt and learn how to play actual QB.
Instead we ran a simplified offense with him and he would run or throw the ball away if his initial read was not open.
Once he got a chance to sit and had a dedicated QB coach he developed.
It's not hard. He played with a limited playbook and was told to take no chances because our defense was legendary, and to run or throw it away if you don't see it.
He was meant to redshirt and learn how to play actual QB.
Instead we ran a simplified offense with him and he would run or throw the ball away if his initial read was not open.
Once he got a chance to sit and had a dedicated QB coach he developed.
It's not hard. He played with a limited playbook and was told to take no chances because our defense was legendary, and to run or throw it away if you don't see it.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:06 pm to BamaGradinTn
I Said he was no better in his last start then his first start.
Then he sat on the bench for a year. Had a good quarter in the championship game.
Went to OU and doubled his stats and was runnerup in the Heisman race.
Moved on to Philly and just missed MVP.
Now if you little dudes want to attribute his success to Enos and not what happened after he left, it's cool.
But if your correct, would it not make sense to bring one in for Milroe. I've watched the tape and he had hot routes open on every sack.
Then he sat on the bench for a year. Had a good quarter in the championship game.
Went to OU and doubled his stats and was runnerup in the Heisman race.
Moved on to Philly and just missed MVP.
Now if you little dudes want to attribute his success to Enos and not what happened after he left, it's cool.
But if your correct, would it not make sense to bring one in for Milroe. I've watched the tape and he had hot routes open on every sack.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:10 pm to RiverCityTider
I attribute Jalen Hurt’s success to Jalen Hurts.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:11 pm to RiverCityTider
You make an excellent point. Sark and Kiffin are excellent QB developers, but not the greatest HC's out there (very good but not great). Lincoln Riley appears to be the best QB coach out there, but he's trying to be a HC, and the jury's still out.
If USC eventually cuts him loose, and I was the HC of an elite college football program, I'd give him the checkbook, and tell him to fill it in, then I'd sign it!
If USC eventually cuts him loose, and I was the HC of an elite college football program, I'd give him the checkbook, and tell him to fill it in, then I'd sign it!
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