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Jalen Hurts WILL WIN the QB job, and here's why.....
Posted on 8/23/16 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 5:44 pm
I am about to debunk, burn, & then trash all of these rumors that Nick Saban just "picks the veteran game manager" or "he won't go with the young guy" every year during the QB competition. Saban gets a bad rap for just going with the old veteran, but what I would like to do in this post is convince you he's not actually just "going with the old guy," but he's "picking the best QB he has"...
Summer of 2009
QB Battle 1 for Nick Saban
Greg McElroy (Junior) vs Star Jackson (True Frosh)
Winner: G-Mac
Now....did Saban play it safe with the older player here, or could it be argued that Greg McElroy is just a better QB than Star Jackson? Are we so certain that Star Jackson tore it up in practice & in the scrimmages and was better than Greg McElroy that summer and Saban ignored it and went with the vet? I'm going to argue that Saban picked the better QB in this situation. G-Mac went on to win a national title, get drafted into the NFL, & hang around in the NFL a few seasons. Star Jackson went on to play at Georgia State, & couldn't win the QB job there either. He transferred after his junior season from Georgia State, and never played college ball again. Does that sound like some hotshot to you who we benched for a veteran, or does that sound like Nick just picked the better QB?
Summer of 2011
QB Battle 2 for Nick Saban
AJ McCarron (RS Sophomore) vs Phillip Sims (RS Frosh)
Winner: AJ
Another great QB battle that summer. AJ McCarron wins the job, another veteran, so the world starts the jabbering about Nick Saban being conservative and only playing the veteran QB again. But I must ask, is that why AJ won? Or, was AJ just not the better QB?
AJ started for 3?years at Bama, winning 2 national championships, and even made a Heisman ceremony. He is still in the NFL as a back up QB, meaning he is one of the top 64 QBs in America right now.
Phillip Sims transferred to Virginia where he played 1 more season, passing for around 1100 yards in 11 games and never really looking that great.
Does Phillip Sims sound like a hotshot that we benched for the veteran AJ, or might AJ have just been a better quarterback?
Summer of 2014
QB Battle 3 for Nick Saban
Blake Simms (Senior) vs Jake Coker (Junior) vs David Cornwell (Frosh)
Winner: Blake Simms
I'm not even going to talk about Cornwell right now, he wasn't ready. I don't care how old he is. This was probably the closest QB battle we've ever had, because both of these players, Blake Simms and Jake Coker, started for us at some point and did fantastic. But, was this another situation where Nick Saban just picked the vet, or was Blake Simms actually better than Jake Coker? I don't think there's a Bama fan in the world who would say Jake Coker was better than Blake Simms. I love them both, but Blake Simms broke a lot of records at Alabama as QB. So yes, during QB competition number 3, the more veteran player won again. But, did Blake Simms win because he was older than Jake Coker, or did Blake Simms win because he's a better QB than Jake Coker? I think you all agree that Simms brings more to the table and deserved the start that season.
Summer of 2015
QB Battle 4 for Nick Saban
Jake Coker (Senior) vs Cooper Bateman (RS Sophomore) vs Blake Barnett (RS or True Frosh)
Winner: Jake Coker
Blake Barnett did some good things in practice for a young guy, don't get me wrong, I heard all that, but he had issues issues issues with turnovers, playbook, and getting the line set. In fact, the last scrimmage or practice of the year he threw two pick 6s. It really came down to Jake Coker versus the young guy cooper Bateman. Jake Coker had a magnificent season, and lead us to a national championship. Cooper Bateman played bits and pieces last season, and he was one of the worst QBs of Ive ever seen start at Alabama. His arm strength would create a problem for our offense once defenses realize they can sag down. Jake Coker was without question the best quarterback for us last year, regardless of the class he was in. Sure he was the veteran, but that's not why he won the job. He won the job because he is the better quarterback.
So what it comes down to is this ...you're basically on either side of the fence here...
A) did Greg McElroy beat star Jackson, did AJ McCarran beat Phillips Sims, did Blake Simms beat Jake Coker, and did Jake Coker beat Cooper Bateman because they were the veteran, or B) did those guys win because they're just flat out better than them?
I'm going with option B. Greg McElroy was better than star Jackson in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now, and he'll always be a better QB than Star Jackson . AJ McCarron was better than Philip Sims in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now and he'll always be a better QB than Philip Sims. Blake Simms was better then Jake Coker in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now and he will always be a better QB than Jake Coker. Jake Coker was better than Cooper Bateman in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now and he will always be a better QB than Cooper Bateman. It has nothing to do with being older people. Saban has never chosen that way. He picks the better player everytime.
And now, The summer of 2016, when Nick Saban will have a chance to prove me right or wrong. Some say the vet always wins, but I say the best QB always wins. It just so happens the vet always possessed more skill in the past. Well as they say, not so fast my friend. For the first time in Nick Sabans career at Alabama, the youngest QB is the better player. From everything I am hearing, Jalen Hurts is absolutely tearing it up. I've heard he's the next Russell Wilson, I heard he's a three and out type player, and that all sounds pretty damn good to me. And I'll tell you something else I'm not hearing, and that is that cooper Bateman is better than he was last year. He's was bad....I mean just awful. Jalen Hurts will be Alabama's starting QB this season, and he will be the starting QB because he's the most talented player at the position. Coach Saban knows it, Lane knows it. And Saban will finally put to bed the rumors of just picking the vet. He can't help it the vet always had more skill. He's always picked the more talented player, it's just that player happened to be the oldest. Not this season.
Let's jump behind this Hurts kid, he will start, and he will lead Alabama to some of the greatest seasons ever.
Summer of 2009
QB Battle 1 for Nick Saban
Greg McElroy (Junior) vs Star Jackson (True Frosh)
Winner: G-Mac
Now....did Saban play it safe with the older player here, or could it be argued that Greg McElroy is just a better QB than Star Jackson? Are we so certain that Star Jackson tore it up in practice & in the scrimmages and was better than Greg McElroy that summer and Saban ignored it and went with the vet? I'm going to argue that Saban picked the better QB in this situation. G-Mac went on to win a national title, get drafted into the NFL, & hang around in the NFL a few seasons. Star Jackson went on to play at Georgia State, & couldn't win the QB job there either. He transferred after his junior season from Georgia State, and never played college ball again. Does that sound like some hotshot to you who we benched for a veteran, or does that sound like Nick just picked the better QB?
Summer of 2011
QB Battle 2 for Nick Saban
AJ McCarron (RS Sophomore) vs Phillip Sims (RS Frosh)
Winner: AJ
Another great QB battle that summer. AJ McCarron wins the job, another veteran, so the world starts the jabbering about Nick Saban being conservative and only playing the veteran QB again. But I must ask, is that why AJ won? Or, was AJ just not the better QB?
AJ started for 3?years at Bama, winning 2 national championships, and even made a Heisman ceremony. He is still in the NFL as a back up QB, meaning he is one of the top 64 QBs in America right now.
Phillip Sims transferred to Virginia where he played 1 more season, passing for around 1100 yards in 11 games and never really looking that great.
Does Phillip Sims sound like a hotshot that we benched for the veteran AJ, or might AJ have just been a better quarterback?
Summer of 2014
QB Battle 3 for Nick Saban
Blake Simms (Senior) vs Jake Coker (Junior) vs David Cornwell (Frosh)
Winner: Blake Simms
I'm not even going to talk about Cornwell right now, he wasn't ready. I don't care how old he is. This was probably the closest QB battle we've ever had, because both of these players, Blake Simms and Jake Coker, started for us at some point and did fantastic. But, was this another situation where Nick Saban just picked the vet, or was Blake Simms actually better than Jake Coker? I don't think there's a Bama fan in the world who would say Jake Coker was better than Blake Simms. I love them both, but Blake Simms broke a lot of records at Alabama as QB. So yes, during QB competition number 3, the more veteran player won again. But, did Blake Simms win because he was older than Jake Coker, or did Blake Simms win because he's a better QB than Jake Coker? I think you all agree that Simms brings more to the table and deserved the start that season.
Summer of 2015
QB Battle 4 for Nick Saban
Jake Coker (Senior) vs Cooper Bateman (RS Sophomore) vs Blake Barnett (RS or True Frosh)
Winner: Jake Coker
Blake Barnett did some good things in practice for a young guy, don't get me wrong, I heard all that, but he had issues issues issues with turnovers, playbook, and getting the line set. In fact, the last scrimmage or practice of the year he threw two pick 6s. It really came down to Jake Coker versus the young guy cooper Bateman. Jake Coker had a magnificent season, and lead us to a national championship. Cooper Bateman played bits and pieces last season, and he was one of the worst QBs of Ive ever seen start at Alabama. His arm strength would create a problem for our offense once defenses realize they can sag down. Jake Coker was without question the best quarterback for us last year, regardless of the class he was in. Sure he was the veteran, but that's not why he won the job. He won the job because he is the better quarterback.
So what it comes down to is this ...you're basically on either side of the fence here...
A) did Greg McElroy beat star Jackson, did AJ McCarran beat Phillips Sims, did Blake Simms beat Jake Coker, and did Jake Coker beat Cooper Bateman because they were the veteran, or B) did those guys win because they're just flat out better than them?
I'm going with option B. Greg McElroy was better than star Jackson in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now, and he'll always be a better QB than Star Jackson . AJ McCarron was better than Philip Sims in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now and he'll always be a better QB than Philip Sims. Blake Simms was better then Jake Coker in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now and he will always be a better QB than Jake Coker. Jake Coker was better than Cooper Bateman in the practices, in the scrimmages, in the games, he's better now and he will always be a better QB than Cooper Bateman. It has nothing to do with being older people. Saban has never chosen that way. He picks the better player everytime.
And now, The summer of 2016, when Nick Saban will have a chance to prove me right or wrong. Some say the vet always wins, but I say the best QB always wins. It just so happens the vet always possessed more skill in the past. Well as they say, not so fast my friend. For the first time in Nick Sabans career at Alabama, the youngest QB is the better player. From everything I am hearing, Jalen Hurts is absolutely tearing it up. I've heard he's the next Russell Wilson, I heard he's a three and out type player, and that all sounds pretty damn good to me. And I'll tell you something else I'm not hearing, and that is that cooper Bateman is better than he was last year. He's was bad....I mean just awful. Jalen Hurts will be Alabama's starting QB this season, and he will be the starting QB because he's the most talented player at the position. Coach Saban knows it, Lane knows it. And Saban will finally put to bed the rumors of just picking the vet. He can't help it the vet always had more skill. He's always picked the more talented player, it's just that player happened to be the oldest. Not this season.
Let's jump behind this Hurts kid, he will start, and he will lead Alabama to some of the greatest seasons ever.
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:13 pm to saban n bear
Tried reading and fell asleep. Will try again later.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:31 pm to saban n bear
Where can I find that book on audio?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:45 pm to crimson crazy
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Tried reading and fell asleep. Will try again later.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:46 pm to saban n bear
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:47 pm to saban n bear
Excellent breakdown!!!
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:50 pm to saban n bear
Good post. For those with the attention span of my 3 year old who skipped over it, well, you missed out!
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:53 pm to saban n bear
Meth is a hell of a drug
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:55 pm to saban n bear
So he picked the older QB every year? 
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:02 pm to Buckeye06
Essentially his argument is he picked the older QB AND the better QB every year, thus you cannot discern whether their seniority won the job or their skill won the job.
That's about it.
That's about it.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:02 pm to ApeDeuce
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breakdown!
I don't know that I'd call it a breakdown. More of an episode really.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:11 pm to Kcoyote
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Essentially his argument is he picked the older QB AND the better QB every year, thus you cannot discern whether their seniority won the job or their skill won the job
Exactly.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:14 pm to vuvuzela
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Good post. For those with the attention span of my 3 year old who skipped over it, well, you missed out
Thank you. I am sorry for the length, but It really doesn't take that long to make a post like that when you use voice text lol. I was done in less than a minute or 2
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:24 pm to saban n bear
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lol. I was done in less than a minute or 2
Doesnt get any better with age youngster
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:29 pm to JBearden
Posted on 8/24/16 at 7:12 am to saban n bear
If Hurts is indeed the starter, it's because he is more consistent than the other qbs....and I'm ok with that. Hurts may be just a freshman, but from what I've read and heard he's very mature for his age.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:43 pm to partsman103
Well here are the reasons he won't start:
1. He is a true freshman.
2. Others know the system better than he does.
Well, that's all I got. He can get the system down with experience. I'm pretty sure that Bateman will earn the start and have the first opportunity to win the job. I will be rooting for him to succeed.
1. He is a true freshman.
2. Others know the system better than he does.
Well, that's all I got. He can get the system down with experience. I'm pretty sure that Bateman will earn the start and have the first opportunity to win the job. I will be rooting for him to succeed.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:57 pm to sunseeker
it's pretty clear that bb has failed to even equal hurts, let alone surpass him ... bateman might have equaled hurts in some practices, but he hasn't surpassed him in any that i'm aware of and has fallen short in most ... while hurts has equaled or surpassed both at numerous times ...
i'm going with the op ...
i'm going with the op ...
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:07 pm to sunseeker
I'm not sure "true freshman" is a 100% accurate way to describe Hurts since he was an early enroll and has been around the program since bowl practices last year.
It's not as if he just showed up for fall camp, and he has all these things overwhelming him. Getting adjusted to campus, getting adjusted to the schedule, adjusted to the difficulty of classes etc.
He's had plenty of time to adjust to all that, and he's had an entire off season to work on his game, learn the system, etc.
Showing up for fall camp = no way in the world a true freshman starts for us at QB. But having all this time in the program I think makes a huge difference.
Of course, he's not the first QB to show up early so we'll see.
At the end of the day I put my trust in Saban and whoever walks out there to play will be the guy who gives us the best chance to win. But I'm not ruling out Hurts simply because he's a true freshman. I think all that talk of seniority is about who gives us the best chance to win, nothing else.
It's not as if he just showed up for fall camp, and he has all these things overwhelming him. Getting adjusted to campus, getting adjusted to the schedule, adjusted to the difficulty of classes etc.
He's had plenty of time to adjust to all that, and he's had an entire off season to work on his game, learn the system, etc.
Showing up for fall camp = no way in the world a true freshman starts for us at QB. But having all this time in the program I think makes a huge difference.
Of course, he's not the first QB to show up early so we'll see.
At the end of the day I put my trust in Saban and whoever walks out there to play will be the guy who gives us the best chance to win. But I'm not ruling out Hurts simply because he's a true freshman. I think all that talk of seniority is about who gives us the best chance to win, nothing else.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:45 pm to saban n bear
What about McElroy over AJ McCarron in the Summer of 2010? You could argue he went with the older QB over the better QB that year because AJ was the more talented QB (really 2009 as well, AJ was already there). I think he made the right choice in those years, but time did prove McCarron was more talented than McElroy by a decent margin
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