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re: Is the "offensive line bad" or is "left tackle bad"?
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:47 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:47 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:You're right, but he's not the only Olineman we've whiffed on in the last couple of years (i.e.-Brockermeyer and a couple of transfers). I imagine his size may have overshadowed some shortcomings.
Every college coach in the country?
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:54 am to coachcrisp
Proctor just isn’t a college LT right now. He ought to have started his career at guard or right tackle. Unfortunately, transfers and busts left us in this situation.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:03 am to Diego Ricardo
I can agree with this. An O-lineman's technique can certainly improve, but footspeed and lateral range are an entirely different animal...it's pretty much "genetic".
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:25 am to coachcrisp
We’ve won national titles with glorified guards at LT but we played significantly different offenses when in that personnel situation. 2009 had an undersized center and a LG playing LT. McElwain mostly played 2TE sets where either the HB or TE stayed in to assist on most pass plays.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 2:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
That is what kills me about Proctor. Dude has no strength. Or at least it never shows up
Posted on 10/18/23 at 3:01 pm to Kcstills17
Proctor has good lower body strength but with heavy feet. What he does not have is good lateral mobility / quickness. He does not have good upper body and hand strength. Against experienced DE's he need to have heavy strike hands and the ability to lock on with inside hand position and arm extension. Until he can arm press and control a 300# DE, their experience will be able to shed him and make plays.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 4:15 pm to Tw1st3d
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Proctor has good lower body strength but with heavy feet. What he does not have is good lateral mobility / quickness. He does not have good upper body and hand strength. Against experienced DE's he need to have heavy strike hands and the ability to lock on with inside hand position and arm extension. Until he can arm press and control a 300# DE, their experience will be able to shed him and make plays.
Makes you wonder why he’s playing left tackle instead of guard, then.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:00 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I have never seen a freshman OL start at Bama and be so bad
Most have been studs
What last three years have taught is there is always a first
Most have been studs
What last three years have taught is there is always a first
Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:23 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Makes you wonder why he’s playing left tackle instead of guard, then.
Because we have no one better. Pritchett’s lack of development is surprising. He was in the same class as Booker and some services had him rated higher. He seems to have the same problem as Proctor.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:48 am to My2Bits
^^^ agree, the obvious lack of development of EP and with the RT's inability to take over at LT seems to make the platooning of Proctor and EP at LT a best alternative... have wondered why Book has not gotten a serious look at LT?... but, probably got some during Spring/Fall camps? Why I have high hopes for this year...I am resigned to the fact that with the QB and OLine, this may wind up to be just an unfulfilled dream Roll Tide
Posted on 10/24/23 at 1:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Over the last 3 weeks against 3 solid defenses
LT - Kadyn Proctor/Elijah Pritchett (8 sacks, 5 hurries/hits)
LG - Tyler Booker (0 sacks, 4 hurries)
C - Seth McLaughlin (0 sacks, 4 hurries)
RG - Jaedon Roberts/Darrian Dalcourt (0 sacks, 2 hurries)
RT - JC Latham (0 sacks, 1 hurries)
The LT position is a dumpster fire. The other 4 are somewhere between average to excellent.
LT - Kadyn Proctor/Elijah Pritchett (8 sacks, 5 hurries/hits)
LG - Tyler Booker (0 sacks, 4 hurries)
C - Seth McLaughlin (0 sacks, 4 hurries)
RG - Jaedon Roberts/Darrian Dalcourt (0 sacks, 2 hurries)
RT - JC Latham (0 sacks, 1 hurries)
The LT position is a dumpster fire. The other 4 are somewhere between average to excellent.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:06 pm to Diego Ricardo
I assume Proctor got charged with the sack in the UT game on Saturday where the guy came in untouched from his side, but the QB has to help him some by pointing out when a DB is coming. If the QB recognized the blitz coming (which Jalen obviously didn't because of how he got blindsided) he can be sure the blocking accounts for whats coming.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:11 pm to ArabianKnight
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I assume Proctor got charged with the sack in the UT game on Saturday where the guy came in untouched from his side, but the QB has to help him some by pointing out when a DB is coming. If the QB recognized the blitz coming (which Jalen obviously didn't because of how he got blindsided) he can be sure the blocking accounts for whats coming.
It was the sack/fumble late in the 1st quarter. Pearce just got on top of his outside shoulder and kind of slowly turned him inside until he smacked Milroe's arm and caused the fumble.
The one you are talking about was a free blitzer in the late 3rd or early 4th, I think. It wasn't charged to anyone.
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It was the sack/fumble late in the 1st quarter. Pearce just got on top of his outside shoulder and kind of slowly turned him inside until he smacked Milroe's arm and caused the fumble.
That play worries me about Proctor more than anything else I've seen from him. Pearce weighs 240 pounds. How do you let yourself get walked back into the QB like that by someone 120 pounds lighter than you? I mean Proctor should at least be able to slow down bullrushes just with sheer bulk, but he can't even do that. I fully acknowledge that LT is a really tough spot to stick a freshman, but you'd like to see at least a few flashes of great play mixed in with all the frick ups.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:30 pm to Robot Santa
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That play worries me about Proctor more than anything else I've seen from him. Pearce weighs 240 pounds. How do you let yourself get walked back into the QB like that by someone 120 pounds lighter than you?
The opposing player uses superior technique to get leverage. Proctor is still figuring out how to use his size to his advantage.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:39 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
And he's lazy with technique
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:56 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
I don't think winning the leverage battle is sufficient to explain how a player at that much of a size disadvantage managed to quickly and methodically walk Proctor back into Milroe against seemingly no resistance. Proctor is just giving me major Shane Lee vibes. Thrown into the fire before he's ready for sure, but then he never really shows anything to make you think it's only a matter of time before he's really good. He just keeps playing consistently shitty football all year and hangs onto his job because there's no one else.
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