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re: Hurt's ball security...
Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:24 am to McGregor
Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:24 am to McGregor
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I don't usually complain about play calls because I don't know what they are trying to do later but last night in the first half Hurts was getting killed how about handing the ball off to a RB
Play calling was atrocious, last night. You can say things like "we are playing vanilla" and other excuses like that but when you are midway into the 3rd quarter and your RBs have only touched the ball 6 times and your QB has touched it 15 times against UT Chattanooga. There is a MAJOR issue.
Here's the truth in CFB; you can win with a running QB who doesn't pass IF all the tools are around him and a fantastic defense. It's as simple as that. Look at JT Barrett at Ohio State, Jalen and JT have a lot in common in terms of throwing the ball downfield. JT hasn't gotten better passing @ OSU. Michigan St gave all OSU wanted yesterday and JT made plays with his legs and was off the mark passing all day long.
If you play against Bama's Offense. You sell out on the QB run and defend the edges. When Jalen gets uncomfortable he resorts to running where he is good for a fumble. Force Jalen to throw downfield.
Look at all of Bama's first year starters at QB:
McElroy (Won BCSCG)
McCarron (Won BCSCG)
Sims (Lost in First Round of Playoffs)
Coker (Won Playoff Champ)
Hurts (TBD)
The reason we won those games is due to a balanced offense in which our QBs didn't turn the ball over. Sims had all the stats but that year he turned it over and we had so many false starts and miscommunication.
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:38 am to UASports23
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Play calling was atrocious, last night. You can say things like "we are playing vanilla" and other excuses like that but when you are midway into the 3rd quarter and your RBs have only touched the ball 6 times and your QB has touched it 15 times against UT Chattanooga. There is a MAJOR issue.
Na, it was a glorified scrimmage. Kiffin was trying different things to put Jalen in different situations. Chalk it up as an uninspired, bad practice. Also, UTC is a good team, I don't care if you can't get over the fact that they are an fcs team. They played more physical on defense than pretty much anyone we played this year. That was easy to see if you watched the game last night.
People, our offense is what it is. Nothing is going to change over night. This is what we have going into the rest of the season. It's worked splendidly so far for us this year.
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Here's the truth in CFB; you can win with a running QB who doesn't pass IF all the tools are around him and a fantastic defense.
Jalen can and does pass.
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When Jalen gets uncomfortable he resorts to running where he is good for a fumble.
Most of his fumbles have been in the pocket.
This post was edited on 11/20/16 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:42 am to AjA77
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I also think Jalen would be doing much better if Kiffin would allow the run to set up the pass naturally
Don't we do this against tougher competition. Unless said competition stacks the box and makes us throw.
It is what it is. He has small hands thats not going to change. With Stewart and ridley together helps him.
In the playoffs kiffin needs to call 15 pass plays, tops, per game. Excluding jet sweeps type plays.
This post was edited on 11/20/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:59 am to Bamadoc
Game plan will be key in the playoffs. We have all the tools to make it work.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 1:42 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Most of his fumbles have been in the pocket.
This and he just needs to tuck it in tight when he runs. To many are not players trying to strip the ball but a helmet hitting on someone trying to tackle him. I believe the one last IIRC was that as well as he was trying to do a spin move escaping the pocket as it collapsed.
I agree ball security is an issue but fixable and our D covers up a lot of his mistakes with getting the ball back but more of a concern for me last night and a few other games is the pocket seemed to collapse on him to quick. Saban mentioned that our plays were slow developing but they were getting into the backfield all night long it seemed untouched.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 3:27 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Na, it was a glorified scrimmage. Kiffin was trying different things to put Jalen in different situations. Chalk it up as an uninspired, bad practice.
Does black jersey's mean anything in practice?
Do you think QB is the most important position on the offense?
Whether it's play calling or Jalen not making decisions. He shouldn't have ran more than our RBs. I honestly believe Saban got tired of that shite mid 3rd quarter and forced the run.
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They played more physical on defense than pretty much anyone we played this year.
Well good thing we didn't play Wofford, Villanova, San Jose, Jax St, and Stony Brook last night. Statistically they have a better defense than Chattanooga.
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Jalen can and does pass.
A month ago, he was 14 for 40 on deep balls. I'd argue that the past month has been fairly tough passing for Jalen due to competition, etc.
Like I said, you can win with a running QB.
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Most of his fumbles have been in the pocket.
Inside/outside of the pocket. It doesn't matter, it's a liability. It's just part of the game he will learn.
At the end of the day, Hurts can win the game for the Tide or he can be a pretty big liability for the team. Lane takes a big reward/big risk type approach with the offense. It is what it is. Hurts will get better but everyone wanting to crown him the best CFB player in the country can relax. I can definitely see him winning one before it is all said and done.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 4:22 pm to UASports23
Another tidbit to think about; Jalen Hurts has 7 fumbles and 7 Ints. McCarron didn't have his 7th until his 3rd year playing football.
We've won championships due to consistency at QB. With that being said; here is what our QBs have done in the TO battle
1.) Greg McElroy 35 games; 20 TOs (10 Fumbles; 10 Int)
2.) AJ McCarron 53 games; 26 TOs (11 Fumbles; 15 Ints)
3.) Blake Sims 14 games; 17 TOs (7 Fumbles; 10 Int)
4.) Jake Coker 15 games; 8+TOs (?? fumbles; 8 Ints
5.) Jalen Hurts 11 games; 14 TOs (7 Fumbles; 7 Ints)
Granted Jalen runs more than anyone outside of Sims.
We've won championships due to consistency at QB. With that being said; here is what our QBs have done in the TO battle
1.) Greg McElroy 35 games; 20 TOs (10 Fumbles; 10 Int)
2.) AJ McCarron 53 games; 26 TOs (11 Fumbles; 15 Ints)
3.) Blake Sims 14 games; 17 TOs (7 Fumbles; 10 Int)
4.) Jake Coker 15 games; 8+TOs (?? fumbles; 8 Ints
5.) Jalen Hurts 11 games; 14 TOs (7 Fumbles; 7 Ints)
Granted Jalen runs more than anyone outside of Sims.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 4:33 pm to UASports23
I've said this before with lots of links but high running qbs fumble the ball more than pocket qbs. It's a pattern stretching over years. Look at Desean Watson he has almost twice as many as Hurts, would you consider him elite?
Posted on 11/20/16 at 4:47 pm to CrimsonBoz
DeShaun Watson has 6 fumbles with 2 lost in 3 years.
Nick Fitzgerald has 6 with 3 lost in 2 years.
Will Worth has 6 with 3 lost in 1 year.
Quinton Flowers has 5 with 1 lost in 3 years.
Lamar Jackson has 14 with 5 lost in 2 years.
Nick Fitzgerald has 6 with 3 lost in 2 years.
Will Worth has 6 with 3 lost in 1 year.
Quinton Flowers has 5 with 1 lost in 3 years.
Lamar Jackson has 14 with 5 lost in 2 years.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 8:02 pm to CrimsonBoz
quote:Lamar Jackson is much worse than Hurts. Hurts carries it loosely and away from his body, not "high and tight" like it's taught. Until he learns. he'll continue to be tackled on the ball. stripped, and have it punched out on a regular basis. Opponents will work it into their defensive gameplan. If it's not fixed, it'll keep happening.
I've said this before with lots of links but high running qbs fumble the ball more than pocket qbs. It's a pattern stretching over years. Look at Desean Watson he has almost twice as many as Hurts, would you consider him elite?
Posted on 11/20/16 at 8:13 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Look I didnt to do this but I was talking fumbles and interceptions. Watson already has 13, and check last year as well
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 9:39 pm to CrimsonBoz
Watson took a big step back this year, but just like Lamar Jackson, his positive outweigh the negatives.
I cut him a break because he's a true freshman, but he's losing fumbles like it's going out of style.
Going into next year, he either needs to pick up the awareness or make more plays.
I cut him a break because he's a true freshman, but he's losing fumbles like it's going out of style.
Going into next year, he either needs to pick up the awareness or make more plays.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 10:11 pm to MagillaGuerilla
That's what I'm saying. All world players do this in the risky business they play. But he is a fresh so I think he can clean it up.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:27 am to CrimsonBoz
Scary thing is he is the son of a coach. I'm sure he grew up around ball security.
I think everyone here gives him a break BC he is a true freshman. However, we are 11 games in.
Id agree w Magilla, Watson has regressed this year.
Also what makes, you think Hurts is "All World"? We are talking abt a true fresh QB with no consistency at QB. You are an elite QB when you are consistent at throwing and limit TOs.
I think everyone here gives him a break BC he is a true freshman. However, we are 11 games in.
Id agree w Magilla, Watson has regressed this year.
Also what makes, you think Hurts is "All World"? We are talking abt a true fresh QB with no consistency at QB. You are an elite QB when you are consistent at throwing and limit TOs.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:25 am to UASports23
They should probably make him practice some drills with the RBs since he runs so much. When you see contact coming, you put both hands on the ball and Jalen never does that. He's a freshman, and it shows in many ways.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:52 am to UASports23
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Scary thing is he is the son of a coach. I'm sure he grew up around ball security.
omg so scary. You can't practice preventing college level Dlinemen and linebackers trying to bash the ball out of your hands when you are high school. Agreed that he needs improvement, but he will get better with experience.
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I think everyone here gives him a break BC he is a true freshman. However, we are 11 games in.
I keep seeing people say things like this. Did he turn into a sophomore after like the 10th game or something? I must have missed that.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:43 am to mrbroker
The whole team regressed against Chattanooga. Idk what got into them. Good thing for yall though Hurts has been proven to keep his composure during big games, like he did in the LSU game
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:53 pm to UASports23
Was referring to Watson as all world but in a question.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:56 pm to LSU12223
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The whole team regressed against Chattanooga. Idk what got into them.
You hear it all the time where coaches say how hard it is to get players to bring their A game every single week. Bama's no different and typically has an uninspired OOC game each season. The west was clinched last week, Auburn is next week, and literally every other team in playoff contention now has a loss.
I just wouldn't read much if anything into the performance. This game was the perfect storm for a letdown. From watching and listening to his comments, I don't think Saban was one bit surprised that things played out as they did. Heck, deep down in a place he won't even admit exists he's probably glad they got it out of their system.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:20 pm to UASports23
Fact is..... Without Hurts we take another L to Ole Miss and possibly one to LSU. He has a multitude of things to work on, ball security being one, but he is True Freshman. Ladies and gentleman, just enjoy the ride and let him grow at his pace.
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