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re: Hey certain poster I won't name, let's talk about Deion Belue.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:22 am to FleshEatingSalsa
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:22 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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This year, he was not very good.
He has certainly had some very frustrating moments.
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:31 am to FleshEatingSalsa
Yeah no doubt Saban will be working on that the next few weeks. ND doesn't throw the long ball and maybe we won't have to worry about it in the BCSNC game.
If Bama could get some damn pass rush on the QB's then maybe Bama wouldn't have to rely on the CB's so much.
If Bama could get some damn pass rush on the QB's then maybe Bama wouldn't have to rely on the CB's so much.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:39 am to Legend13
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If Bama could get some damn pass rush on the QB's then maybe Bama wouldn't have to rely on the CB's so much
This.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:31 pm to 615tider
If I was the opposing team I would throw to Belue's side every time. He refuses to turn and find the ball.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:36 pm to Interweb Cowboy
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He refuses to turn and find the ball.
Incorrect. You don't have 2 INTs and 5 PBUs by refusing to turn and find the ball.
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If I was the opposing team I would throw to Belue's side every time.
So would I, because why the frick would you throw at Milliner/Lester/HaHa?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:53 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Incorrect. You don't have 2 INTs and 5 PBUs by refusing to turn and find the ball.
Fulton has 5 PBUs this year and he isn't even a starter. Those are really pedestrian stats for a guy who has started and been thrown at in every game this season.
Everyone sees that flaw in his game except you.
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:55 pm to Legend13
I'm not too worried about our CBs matched up on their WRs. TY Jones is good but they don't have a WR on the level of Hunter, Hamilton, King, etc...
The key in pass defense will be our LBs and Safeties covering Eifert although I'm sure they'll split him out wide quite a bit too.
The key in pass defense will be our LBs and Safeties covering Eifert although I'm sure they'll split him out wide quite a bit too.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:57 pm to Robot Santa
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Everyone sees that flaw in his game except you.
I see plenty of flaws in his game, but when you compare him to a lot of other CBs nationally you're happy to have him.
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Fulton has 5 PBUs this year and he isn't even a starter. Those are really pedestrian stats for a guy who has started and been thrown at in every game this season.
But Fulton has played a lot this year. Early we used his Nickel package a lot, he started against WKU, eventually we used his Nickel package sparingly, we started using it more again, then he got hurt. Geno is playing Star now, and that allows us to keep Milliner outside.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:20 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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but when you compare him to a lot of other CBs nationally you're happy to have him.
I think that's a weak argument, "compare him to worse players and he's good". It could be worse isn't exactly a fruitful truth, whether or not Belue is better than other players in the country.
He plays CB for how good of an athlete he is, not how good of a shutdown player he is. Yes, there are tons of players that are like that and still worse than Belue, but that doesn't put Belue as a top CB.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:34 pm to MagillaGuerilla
I think Geno looked like the much better Corner on Saturday 
But still Vinnie Sunseri has no business ever being in coverage!I almost broke my TV when he gave up the play at the end. I know he made good play on the almost Milliner pick, but I get so pissed at him being out there. I thought he was gonna be a great player this year but I was wrong
But still Vinnie Sunseri has no business ever being in coverage!I almost broke my TV when he gave up the play at the end. I know he made good play on the almost Milliner pick, but I get so pissed at him being out there. I thought he was gonna be a great player this year but I was wrong
Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:45 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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"compare him to worse players and he's good".
I'm not saying compare him to Aubie's CB, per se, I'm saying that most other CBs give up a lot more than he does.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:32 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I'm not saying compare him to Aubie's CB, per se, I'm saying that most other CBs give up a lot more than he does.
There are a lot more average/bad CBs than there are good ones. Comparing him to the majority doesn't make him any better. Yeah, I would prefer him over someone who is worse, but again, you are comparing him against worse players.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:48 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Comparing him to the majority doesn't make him any better.
Nega-tider.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:54 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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you are comparing him against worse players.
Because most other starting CBs ARE worse.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:58 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Because most other starting CBs ARE worse.
But that fact doesn't make Belue a better CB unless you're grading on a curve.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:08 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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But that fact doesn't make Belue a better CB unless you're grading on a curve.
Makes him better than most of the other options out there. The fact is that he isn't elite like a Dee Milliner or an Xavier Rhodes, but he's sort of like Menzie from last year. Maybe not quite that good at the moment, but that's the best comparison off of the top of my head. Y'know Belue is a really good athlete, has a lot going for him. 5'11"-6'0.5", somewhere in that range. Elite speed. He's made some mental errors like every first year starter does. People will say he sucks. People will say he's a liability, but that isn't the case. He. Is. A. First. Year. Starter.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:17 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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but he's sort of like Menzie from last year.
Menzie was an All American last year.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:21 pm to Robot Santa
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Menzie was an All American last year.
A lot of that also had to do with what kind of pass D numbers we put up as a team. Vlachos was an All American at one time too, but he was also a regular in DT highlight film. I think Belue has given up plays a lot like Menzie did last year : Great throws, great catches, couldn't defend it any better, etc. Has he had some bad ones? Yeah. The double move in the OPENER against UM, the play yesterday where he was, well it wasn't man coverage, but it certainly wasn't zone. We had Belue and Geno both over there, Geno was trailing (BAD) and Belue had his body going in a completely different direction when the ball was thrown.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:52 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I agree that Belue and Sunseri let alot get by them, but it seems like they both have very good tackling skills once the guy catches the ball. In the Georgia game Belue got beat but wrapped up and brought his man down...same thing with Sunseri...he was dragged for 5 yards but he didn't let go. Could both have been touch downs.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:00 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Makes him better than most of the other options out there. The fact is that he isn't elite like a Dee Milliner or an Xavier Rhodes, but he's sort of like Menzie from last year. Maybe not quite that good at the moment, but that's the best comparison off of the top of my head. Y'know Belue is a really good athlete, has a lot going for him. 5'11"-6'0.5", somewhere in that range. Elite speed. He's made some mental errors like every first year starter does. People will say he sucks. People will say he's a liability, but that isn't the case. He. Is. A. First. Year. Starter.
I don't see him as a complete liability or sucks, but I don't see him as a noteworthy CB at this point, nor do I see him as a high draft pick(Top 60 picks) in the future as you do. He's a college starter, but I don't see anything that screams top flight about his game. On the other hand, you can start to see small glimpses of that regarding Geno Smith and how fast he has caught on and played.
And I know what you are gonna say "Yeah, but Belue came in and earned a starting job". And that is great that he was able to do so, but when you're a JuCo player being recruited by Bama, that's expected of you. Not to mention that position was cleared out due to attrition. That may play into peoples' expectations as well, the fact he is suppose to come in more physically and mentally ready like the other JuCo players that played for the Tide.
He's a capable CB and will probably get to the NFL, but I don't see shutdown abilities when he plays. I see a poor man's Antonio Cromartie before this season(he's taken it to a different level for even him), someone who can be in situations for success due to his athletic ability. But even with those types of CBs, they can be caught in situations where they misread the play.
Reputation is ever evolving, so I'm not gonna close the book on him with a year to go. Though I still don't see him ever being a #1. I see a #2 or #3 at the next level best case. If he was allowed to do returns, it would help out a bit more value wise. Still wondering about that one...
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