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re: Henry or Drake?

Posted on 2/3/15 at 9:02 pm to
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 9:02 pm to
Drake, Henry only good on toss plays when he can get going. He is terrible between the tackles
Posted by Gary Busey
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 9:49 pm to
Damien Harris is the future though
Posted by CrimsonChin
the gutter.
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:00 am to
Bo may be the future as well.
Posted by Gary Busey
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:51 am to
So many futures...
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:36 pm to
Give me Drake if I can duct tape the ball to his arm.

Seriously, Henry is a strange player. He looks like a power back from the waist up, and from the waist down he looks like a WR. Which is why he is so easy to tackle. Dude needs to lay off the bench presses and curls and focus on squats, lunges and calf raises. His legs are weak as hell.
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:31 pm to
btw, Henry's changing numbers, now #2.

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@KingHenry_2: No more 27 , #2 THE DEUCE IS BACK !
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 1:33 pm
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:36 pm to
Henry, stop tweeting about your jersey number and go do some squats! You can't have your man card back until you can break at least one tackle at the LOS at your size.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:45 pm to
I haven't seen such a productive player get so much shite since Yeldon after the 2013 season.
Posted by ArabianKnight
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:43 pm to
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I haven't seen such a productive player get so much shite since Yeldon after the 2013 season.


Was thinking the same thing. 5.8 ypc, leading rusher for the year, and people dog him. I don't get it.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:43 pm to
Yeldon deserved the crap he got after that season because of fumbles, not because of production. Henry deserves all the heck he gets because he is huge and runs like a mouse. Unless its a toss sweep, he ain't getting far. Truth. He needs to work on lower body strength so much it's not even funny, and nobody can really dispute that if you look at a picture of him and the way he goes down on first contact.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:09 pm to
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because of fumbles


Even that was way overblown.

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Henry deserves all the heck he gets because he is huge and runs like a mouse.


That is a gross misconception. Furthermore, people can't comprehend that his size works against him. Saying "hurr durr he iz big, he should not be able to be tackled!!1" is a lazy presumption.

He was a top 3 player in our offense this past season. His numbers don't lie.

This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 5:16 pm
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:29 pm to
Well said. I don't get the people dogging him. He makes plays. He changes games. He can improve, but the same can be said for every player. He averaged 7.0+ YPC in five games (four of those came in the last four games). He had seven games with a run of more than 20 yards (not including a 19 yard run against West Virginia). He fumbled the ball once all year, against Western Carolina.

Say we find a way to feed Henry the ball the same way we found ways to get the ball to Cooper this year. I think the results would be similar.
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40848 posts
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:41 pm to
He is not a traditional run between the tackles guy. It is pretty obvious that he is not going to have success up the middle in traditional running downs. So I doubt he is a guy we are running 20+ times a game. He has a specific role.

That being said when he gets into space it is incredible.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:48 pm to
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He has a specific role.


The way he finished the season, I believe he showed Kiffin he can be a back we rely on more. Taking nothing away from Drake. Our talent at RB is insane, but we don't need to take for granted how good the combo of Henry/Drake could possibly be. Throw in Jones/Bo/Harris and we'll be alright.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:21 am to
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That is a gross misconception. Furthermore, people can't comprehend that his size works against him. Saying "hurr durr he iz big, he should not be able to be tackled!!1" is a lazy presumption.


It's not a misconception. Everyone who has watched him has noted how poorly he runs between the tackles and how easily he goes down. I'm not saying he sucks as a player...once he gets going he has elite speed and can kill teams on the edge. I'm sure as heck glad he plays for us, but that doesn't erase the fact that he is very weak in his lower body. As far as his size working against him, that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. He is a similar size to Todd Gurley or Eddie George and those guys steamrolled people constantly, never went down on first contact. They are built differently though, they have very thick and strong lower bodies--which is exactly what Henry needs to be working on in order to become a complete back.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:26 am to
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I haven't seen such a productive player get so much shite since Yeldon after the 2013 season.


It seems to be a constant theme.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:52 am to
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It seems to be a constant theme.

Contrary to the popular belief of some, it is not a crime to point out areas where a player is weak and needs improving. Whether turnover issues for a skill player, strength issues for trench players or RB's, or accuracy issues for QB's...it's all fair game as long as nobody is taking personal shots at a kid, which nobody is or has been doing with Yeldon, Henry or anyone else that I've seen. You'd think some of you guys are these player's over-protective mammas by the way you try to coddle them.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:52 am to
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Everyone who has watched him has noted how poorly he runs between the tackles and how easily he goes down


Nobody ran especially well between the tackles for bama in 2014, because the interior line blocking was porous most of the time.

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s far as his size working against him, that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. He is a similar size to Todd Gurley or Eddie George and those guys steamrolled people constantly, never went down on first contact.


Gurley is 2 inches shorter than Henry, and furthermore, Gurley is constantly injured, and a part of that is because of his height. Eddie George is a Hall of Famer, and would be an exception. Please further explain to me how that my statement was the dumbest thing you've read in a long time.

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which is exactly what Henry needs to be working on in order to become a complete back.


I just find it hilarious that you people think that Henry doesn't work on his lower body in the weight room. The guy is a weight room freak, you think that he isn't concentrating on his lower body? Its called genetics, and he doesn't have the same ones as Eddie George.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:54 am to
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Contrary to the popular belief of some, it is not a crime to point out areas where a player is weak and needs improving.


All I am saying, is work on giving a more fair assessment.

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is taking personal shots at a kid, which nobody is or has been doing with Yeldon, Henry or anyone else that I've seen.


Yeah, sure.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Nobody ran especially well between the tackles for bama in 2014, because the interior line blocking was porous most of the time.

Fair enough, but when Yeldon was healthy and when Jones finally got a little playing time they were both much more effective between the tackles.
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Gurley is 2 inches shorter than Henry, and furthermore, Gurley is constantly injured, and a part of that is because of his height. Eddie George is a Hall of Famer, and would be an exception. Please further explain to me how that my statement was the dumbest thing you've read in a long time.

I don't buy that. Henry is listed at 6'3 on our roster, and as the draft measurements show every year we typically add an inch(sometimes more) to our player's heights (we usually also list them at lowers weights.) Henry is likely 6'2ish and Gurley is a confirmed 6'1 and both around 230-240 lbs. VERY similar sizes. Eddie George, HOF, or not is also similar size, and I could look up others as well to prove my point that big backs can and should be hard to get on the ground. This is not rocket science, big strong people should be tougher to tackle than smaller, weaker people. Let me flip the script, show me another back in the NFL or major college team that is over 6 feet and 230 lbs that is easy to tackle and can't pick up tough yards between the tackles?
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I just find it hilarious that you people think that Henry doesn't work on his lower body in the weight room. The guy is a weight room freak, you think that he isn't concentrating on his lower body? Its called genetics, and he doesn't have the same ones as Eddie George.


I have no idea how much he works his lower body, but I do know by looking at him that he has "chicken legs" and a massive upper body. That tells me that genetically he can add muscle mass, he just isn't doing it in the right places. He doesn't have different genes in his upper and lower body.
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