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re: Have we gotten what we paid for?
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:44 pm to Tide or Die87
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:44 pm to Tide or Die87
We all thought Lacey was going to be a consistent scorer and he hasn't been. He does have good games but it's not unusual at all for him to just disappear for all or most of a game like he did last night. He's not dynamic enough to create his own shots and he's not a good enough shooter to be a spot-up guy. He is about the only guy on the team who can make passes to set up other players though.
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Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:48 pm to sarc
Yea but im pretty sure he makes more turnovers than assists. Look I know this kid and I doubt he will be in the gym working on getting better. Man he needs to hit the gym and shed some pounds. Rele too.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:53 pm to Tide or Die87
I think Jacobs losing weight over the course of the season made a big difference in his game. He's still not a strong defender or rebounder, but he's a lot more mobile than he was earlier in the season. Watching him move his feet last night and force that backcourt violation was pretty cool.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 2:13 pm to Bryant91092
No we haven't........yet.I think this coming years team will be much improved. And if we can get Carl back healthy and add two more big men down low ( anything more than added depth from them will be a plus) i think we can make a ncaa tourney run.
I'm just not ready to give up on Grant just yet. The Gottfried memories are still fresh in my mind. He never won on the road and wouldn't just lose but get blown out. With Grant we are in pretty much every game.
I'm just not ready to give up on Grant just yet. The Gottfried memories are still fresh in my mind. He never won on the road and wouldn't just lose but get blown out. With Grant we are in pretty much every game.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 4:58 pm to Bryant91092
I live in Baltimore. They actually talked a little about Anthony Grant on our local sports radio station today. It's interesting. One of the local radio hosts said that Alabama should be content with Anthony Grant. He's done a good job. Grant has led Bama to 20+ wins for the past three seasons and has improved the Bama basketball program while he's been there. He also said expectations are lower at Bama because their basketball program is so overshadowed by their football program. Bama has sold out their NIT games which shows that they're somewhat content with what Anthony Grant has done. That would never happen at a school like University of Maryland because their fans consider anything less than a NCAA tournament berth a massive disappointment. OTOH, the other host argued that Bama fans should not be content with mediocrity for their basketball program. After all, if Bama had that same kind of approach for their football program six years ago, they never would have gotten Nick Saban. I know tl;dr but that's just a national perspective about whether or not Bama should be content with Anthony Grant.
This post was edited on 3/27/13 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 3/27/13 at 5:08 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bama has sold out their NIT games which shows that they're somewhat content with what Anthony Grant has done. That would never happen at a school like University of Maryland because their fans consider anything less than a NCAA tournament berth a massive disappointment
I cannot stand this rationale, at all. The NIT may not be what Alabama or its fans hoped for or expected, but showing up to support the team is hardly accepting mediocrity.
Football fans have always traveled to the Music City Bowl, etc. and as the host noted, Bama doesn't settle on the gridiron.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:21 pm to SECFan413
Getting ripped off based on the results on the court.
While someone might not do any better, Alabama is willing to spend top dollar to try.
I am not sure why guys continue to have so much optimism for next year. There was a lot of returning players this year and this year was a failure. He has had 4 years, every player on the team is his guy. Yet no improvement has been made, actually regression. Only reason he won 20 games is that the SEC was horrible.
While someone might not do any better, Alabama is willing to spend top dollar to try.
I am not sure why guys continue to have so much optimism for next year. There was a lot of returning players this year and this year was a failure. He has had 4 years, every player on the team is his guy. Yet no improvement has been made, actually regression. Only reason he won 20 games is that the SEC was horrible.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/30/13 at 10:33 pm to UltimaParadox
I'm really hoping that adding players who aren't guards will improve this team next year. We just run four guards who pass back and forth until the shot clock gets low then we put up a shot. Any coach could teach that.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 10:49 pm to UltimaParadox
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I am not sure why guys continue to have so much optimism for next year. There was a lot of returning players this year and this year was a failure. He has had 4 years, every player on the team is his guy. Yet no improvement has been made, actually regression. Only reason he won 20 games is that the SEC was horrible.
I understand the frustration with Grant, I do. But we lost JaMychal Green and Tony Mitchell, both of whom got the majority of the touches offensively, and both are possible future NBA players. Sure we had some players play a lot of minutes that year, but no one outside of Releford gained experience offensively with those two guys in the fold. We also had 2 post players total for most of this year. 2! That was the biggest problem this year. Next year we will have 5 post players. We return everybody but Steele and add 3 posts back into the mix that allows all of our players to go back to their natural positions. It's not that hard to see reasons to be optimistic for next year.
Posted on 3/31/13 at 12:54 am to Tide or Die87
Lacey led the team in assists and assist to turnover ratio. just because you know him doesn't mean you have a fricking clue what you're talking about. same with anyone who is clueless enough to think firing grant this offseason would be for the best whether it's going to happen or not. more nonsense from the dilettante a-hole contingent of the fanbase. footbaw!
Posted on 3/31/13 at 1:59 am to TideSatchel
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from the dilettante a-hole contingent of the fanbase. footbaw!
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Posted on 3/31/13 at 5:40 am to Bryant91092
Though I really couldn't care less about our basketball program, I do have to ask just who do all of you anti-Grant posters think we'll be able to get if we fire him?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 4:23 pm to RollTide1987
I don' t want CAG fired but I am disappointed in both on the court results and Bama's offensive production. The team has phenomenal athletes but no great basketball players.
The team does not take advantage of its athleticism by pushing the ball up the floor. Bama appears to have no idea about how to attack a zone defense. (watch how Louisville plays Syracuse) The team does not have the discipline to beat the press by maintaining its spacing on the floor, and often goes in to the corner to receive the ball and make the trap easier. These are fundamental errors which a quality coach should have corrected.
Bama rarely scores after a timeout or on an in bounds play. Our end of game possession seems to be give it to one of the Trevors and make a play.
This team could have won 5 more games if they had just signed a Chris Hines caliber Juco post player this year.
I fear our style of play is contributing to our difficulty in recruiting. Who wants to come and play defense and have the team score 50 points a game. Kids want to play a LOB CITY style of basketball and be on sportscenter.
I agree the team plays hard most of the time but Grant needs to hire an offensive coordinator. Also, Nick Jacobs should not be on scholarship if he shoots only 50% from the line. That is pitiful. High school girls shoot 75%. 2013-2014 is make or break for me. NCAA or bust.
The team does not take advantage of its athleticism by pushing the ball up the floor. Bama appears to have no idea about how to attack a zone defense. (watch how Louisville plays Syracuse) The team does not have the discipline to beat the press by maintaining its spacing on the floor, and often goes in to the corner to receive the ball and make the trap easier. These are fundamental errors which a quality coach should have corrected.
Bama rarely scores after a timeout or on an in bounds play. Our end of game possession seems to be give it to one of the Trevors and make a play.
This team could have won 5 more games if they had just signed a Chris Hines caliber Juco post player this year.
I fear our style of play is contributing to our difficulty in recruiting. Who wants to come and play defense and have the team score 50 points a game. Kids want to play a LOB CITY style of basketball and be on sportscenter.
I agree the team plays hard most of the time but Grant needs to hire an offensive coordinator. Also, Nick Jacobs should not be on scholarship if he shoots only 50% from the line. That is pitiful. High school girls shoot 75%. 2013-2014 is make or break for me. NCAA or bust.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 10:29 pm to Bryant91092
We're coming a helluva lot closer to getting our money's worth with Anthony Grant than we are with Wendell Hudson. Any deliberation of Grant's performance while Hudson is still on the job is downright comical.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:08 pm to BamaGradinTn
Everyone knows Hudson sucks. Now that Mal is gone, maybe Hudson will be fired. Not sure how that applies to Grant living up to his large salary though.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:24 am to Bryant91092
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Bryant91092
Have we gotten what we paid for?
Everyone knows Hudson sucks. Now that Mal is gone, maybe Hudson will be fired. Not sure how that applies to Grant living up to his large salary though.
Simple. You're original question was, have we gotten what we paid for with Grant. My answer is that even at Grant's seven figure salary he's coming a helluva lot closer to earning it than Hudson is to earning his $300K, or whatever it is.
Bill Battle was hired to keep the chair warm for the next, AD, period. Don't count on him firing Hudson.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:58 am to Bench McElroy
It seems since he's been here we've had zero depth...we'll see Grant for at least a few more years..maybe longer depending on how the next few years are played.
Posted on 4/5/13 at 11:01 am to Bryant91092
No, we haven't gotten our money's worth. I like Grant, and I think he's a great defensive coach. But he's lacking in player development department, and in the offensive department. There's no fire. There's no energy. The post play is putrid. I don't know why people keep thinking Engstrom would have made much difference. He's not much of an upgrade. Releford, Lacey, Cooper, and Randolph would all be NBA prospects right now if they were playing at UK. Grant just isn't getting the most out of them.
The offense is just terrible, and it isn't the players' faults.
I didn't even realize we had a player that could dunk until late in the season.
The offense is just terrible, and it isn't the players' faults.
I didn't even realize we had a player that could dunk until late in the season.
Posted on 4/5/13 at 11:09 am to Teague
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Releford, Lacey, Cooper, and Randolph would all be NBA prospects right now if they were playing at UK.
This is something that I've wondered frequently over the past 2 seasons. Everytime someone says that our problem is lack of talent, I can't help but wonder if some of those players you mentioned would be lighting it up offensively on a different team. Perhaps it's best that we don't know.
Posted on 4/5/13 at 12:34 pm to Teague
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Releford, Lacey, Cooper, and Randolph would all be NBA prospects right now if they were playing at UK.
That's just ridiculous. Just because they play for UK doesn't mean they'd automatically be a pro prospect. Only person outside of the top 15 ranked HS players that has made it to the NBA from UK in Cal's tenure is Eric Bledsoe and Darius Miller. Eric Bledsoe was ranked as high as 22nd in his class (Higher than any of our guys) and Darius Miller as high as 33rd in his class (Same range as Lacey and Randolph).
Could one of them be pro prospect? Possibly because of the exposure and the brand name.
The only possible solid NBA prospects on that list is Cooper and Randolph. Releford and Lacey don't even fit the bill. Releford lacks some serious court vision and Lacey is far too slow and unathletic. They are both too small for their positions. It would shock the shite out of me to see Releford or Lacey become anything more than a mid-2nd round pick.
Having said all this, I do think we have talent on the perimeter, but our inside play was just too thin and poor to succeed. Is Grant's offense terrible? Hell yes! But don't tell me we have four NBA prospect quality players right now. That's complete bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/5/13 at 12:37 pm
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