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re: Florida - Defense Play Charting - Full Game (cliffs - DL not dominated, the ILB were)
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:10 pm to bamatide07
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:10 pm to bamatide07
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The worst play, one that made me throw my remote, was Hellams missed tackle on third and ten on their own goal line.
That wasn’t a missed tackle. That was a guy on scholarship making a choice to avoid contact.
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 11:12 pm
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:12 pm to phil4bama
Have you ever played football? Reaction time reading the option is very very short.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:14 pm to Panthers4life
Yes I have, and that is exactly how it was coached to stop it. Reaction time is short but if each position takes away one of the options, it's not difficult to stop.
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:18 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I’ve been all over the OL. They’re extremely talented outside of right tackle but this is not an OL that seems to be gelling. Seemed like a lot of confusion and arguing about assignments going on.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 2:07 am to phil4bama
If you want to see what Mullen did to us with the option , go to 15 seconds left in the 1st qtr. This test play was repeated over and over the rest of the game and we never properly adjusted
There was no dive back
Due to a Mullen choice of formation vs our tendencies - #14/#2 had the QB and CB and Mike LB have the pitch. Will LB should have the clean-up if the pitch back comes back inside.
#31 was basically playing a 5-tech DE pushing inside the OT. OT bump and RG reach to take him out of the play. Too much power for #31 to over come in that phone booth. OT slipped past #31 to seal off the Mike LB (#10). #10 looped deep to get past the OT seal put #10 5 yards deeper than he should have been and 12 yards away from the pitch back he should be chasing.
CB playing bump and run on WR. That took him out of the play for run support. Will LB (#8) went the wrong way. Away from the flow of the play. LG now between him and the play. #8 can no longer have ANY impact on the play unless he catches up 15 to 20 yards down the field.
#14 (in some cases later #2 did the same mistakes) got caught in no-mans land between QB and pitch back. QB cut up field. First contact with the QB was 5 or 6 yards beyond the LoS when the FS (#3), Nose (#94), and SAM (#20) from opposite side of the formation converged on the QB.
Mike LB (#10) was 3 to 4 yards further down field still being pushed by the OT seal block. Will LB (#8) was still a good 4 yards trailing the SAM (#20) who had to run around him to get to the play.
Had the QB pitched the ball, the pitch back would likely have gotten 2 or 3 yards more than the QB did. The QB got about 8 yards gain on the play.
#71 & #70 got overpowered a lot. #70 and #55 got beat with quickness a lot. #79 got abused with speed and then with power when he started trying to jump out in anticipation of the speed. #73 looked to have had a pretty good game.
Someone else needs to step up at LG and RT when we face DL power and we want to run.
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The interior DL has the dive back, tackle him every time.
There was no dive back
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The DE/OLB has the QB
Due to a Mullen choice of formation vs our tendencies - #14/#2 had the QB and CB and Mike LB have the pitch. Will LB should have the clean-up if the pitch back comes back inside.
#31 was basically playing a 5-tech DE pushing inside the OT. OT bump and RG reach to take him out of the play. Too much power for #31 to over come in that phone booth. OT slipped past #31 to seal off the Mike LB (#10). #10 looped deep to get past the OT seal put #10 5 yards deeper than he should have been and 12 yards away from the pitch back he should be chasing.
CB playing bump and run on WR. That took him out of the play for run support. Will LB (#8) went the wrong way. Away from the flow of the play. LG now between him and the play. #8 can no longer have ANY impact on the play unless he catches up 15 to 20 yards down the field.
#14 (in some cases later #2 did the same mistakes) got caught in no-mans land between QB and pitch back. QB cut up field. First contact with the QB was 5 or 6 yards beyond the LoS when the FS (#3), Nose (#94), and SAM (#20) from opposite side of the formation converged on the QB.
Mike LB (#10) was 3 to 4 yards further down field still being pushed by the OT seal block. Will LB (#8) was still a good 4 yards trailing the SAM (#20) who had to run around him to get to the play.
Had the QB pitched the ball, the pitch back would likely have gotten 2 or 3 yards more than the QB did. The QB got about 8 yards gain on the play.
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IMHO, all our offensive problems come back to the poor offensive line play.
#71 & #70 got overpowered a lot. #70 and #55 got beat with quickness a lot. #79 got abused with speed and then with power when he started trying to jump out in anticipation of the speed. #73 looked to have had a pretty good game.
Someone else needs to step up at LG and RT when we face DL power and we want to run.
This post was edited on 9/20/21 at 2:40 am
Posted on 9/20/21 at 8:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
Bright spots on defense Saturday
- Will Anderson is a machine
- Sanders made some huge plays and didn't have very many mental mistakes against a scheme where it's easy to play timid outside
- Jalyn Armour-Davis was FANTASTIC
- Will Anderson is a machine
- Sanders made some huge plays and didn't have very many mental mistakes against a scheme where it's easy to play timid outside
- Jalyn Armour-Davis was FANTASTIC
Posted on 9/20/21 at 10:19 am to Tw1st3d
On that play detailed above, two players made an error #8 & #14. fixing the error by either or both would not have made much difference in the outcome of the play...maybe 5 yard gain instead of 8.
The major issue was a defense design flaw that was never adjusted. Either move the D-line 1/2 gap toward the weak side or shift the Mike/Will 1/2 gap to the week side. Either adjustment would have shut down the play.
Mullen moved the RB to the weak side which flipped the Mike/Will positioning. Mullen had the WR on the weak side make what appeared to be an outside release move against the press-man CB which took him out of the play.
Having the D-line shift 1/2 gap weak would have put #31 in the QB's face and #14 on the pitch - dead play
Having the Mike/Will shift 1/2 gap week would have taken both seal blocks out of play and #10 in the QB's face with #14 on the pitch. #8 (if played correctly would have been beyond the seal block reach of the LG but the OT seal that missed #10 would have been in #8's path.
The UF success on the play was a schematic flaw that Mullen found and was prepared to exploit. The DC should have been working on a correction at halftime. The correction was simple but missed by the DC - The flaw belongs to the coaches and not the players.
The major issue was a defense design flaw that was never adjusted. Either move the D-line 1/2 gap toward the weak side or shift the Mike/Will 1/2 gap to the week side. Either adjustment would have shut down the play.
Mullen moved the RB to the weak side which flipped the Mike/Will positioning. Mullen had the WR on the weak side make what appeared to be an outside release move against the press-man CB which took him out of the play.
Having the D-line shift 1/2 gap weak would have put #31 in the QB's face and #14 on the pitch - dead play
Having the Mike/Will shift 1/2 gap week would have taken both seal blocks out of play and #10 in the QB's face with #14 on the pitch. #8 (if played correctly would have been beyond the seal block reach of the LG but the OT seal that missed #10 would have been in #8's path.
The UF success on the play was a schematic flaw that Mullen found and was prepared to exploit. The DC should have been working on a correction at halftime. The correction was simple but missed by the DC - The flaw belongs to the coaches and not the players.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 3:20 pm to Tw1st3d
Alabama football: Greg McElroy warns against turning on Crimson Tide despite defensive struggles (BOL)
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Alabama fans experienced their team play an uncharacteristically close game over the weekend against Florida. The Crimson Tide had to keep the Gators out of the end zone during a two-point conversion attempt with under four minutes remaining to preserve a 31-29 victory in a rematch of last year’s SEC Championship game.
Some think the performance was cause for concern with Nick Saban’s team. However, former Crimson Tide quarterback Greg McElroy doesn’t believe so. Many had criticisms of the defense and coordinator Pete Golding after the narrow win. McElroy had a message for those fans.
"I'm a little tired of having to answer the question, 'Fire Golding?' It's ridiculous,” Mcelroy said. “And if you look at the plan, this had nothing to do with (coaching). There were a lot of times Alabama players were in the right position to make a play and just didn't. Their best player defensively, Christian Harris, or at least one of their best players defensively, I thought he had a really disappointing performance.
"I thought Henry To'o To'o played really subpar, based on what we've come to expect from the second-level defenders. I thought the defensive line improvised far too often for my comfort level. And that's not coaching. That's players' execution. The call, in some ways, was perfect and just wasn't executed properly. You often times saw Alabama players running into each other. They were a mess, in a lot of ways, and it wasn't something that I'm really used to. But you also have to give credit to the offense.
“I saw Christian Harris have to cover a whip route by a wide receiver, he had to react to a counter, he had to get wide on a speed option. He had about six or seven different looks and different formations to react to in a period of eight or nine plays. They went right after Alabama's strength and they said, 'We're going to get you thinking. And if you're thinking, you'll play slow.' And that's exactly what they did at the second level. So I would say that, hey, you can blame the coaches. You can want to fire everybody in the building. But ultimately it's about the players. And the players, their performance on Saturday left a lot to be desired."
Saban was asked on Monday if there were schematic issues with the defense. He elaborated quite a bit, as the Crimson Tide (3-0) are set to take on Southern Miss. (1-2) this Saturday.
"We didn’t execute,” Saban said. “I think maybe there was one time when we had a pressure on that they ran a speed option or something and we didn’t have enough guys there. But it really came down to executing. It really came down to players -- they did some different things but you’ve got to adapt to those things and play things on principle. And at times we didn’t do that very well. And we weren’t very aggressive.
“We didn’t get off the field on third down, especially in the second half. We had opportunities to get off the field on third down and did not do it. A 99-yard drive, we had several opportunities to get off the field. We had a 3rd and 19 and didn’t get off the field. Those are plays that you have to make in the game. That’s something that we just need to continue to work on."
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We gave up 100% of available yards in the 2nd half and 3 TDs on 3 drives. That's not just it's hard to play defense in 2021. That's unacceptable.
3.22 PPD or 3.44 PPD if you give Florida the PATs is still below their offense’s average from a year ago. They put up 4.6 PPD on us last year.
Their offense and our offense also benefited from soft PI calls to keep drives alive.
I think 3 straight 3 and outs with a chance to put the game to bed is unacceptable.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:09 pm to Tw1st3d
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The flaw belongs to the coaches and not the players.
And there it is.
Great breakdown. Thank you. I watched and paused trying to follow along to your breakdown. Makes total sense. The adjustment would have to come from the sideline nothing the player could do in the current position.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
Team Scoring Defense Rankings
2007 32nd
2008 6th
2009 4th
2010 3rd
2011 1st
2012 2nd
2013 4th
2014 5th
2015 2nd
2016 1st
2017 1st
2018 10th
2019 15th
2020 13th
2021 37th
Pete Golding hired in 2018 as Co-defensive coordinator and ILB coach. 2019-present-DC and ILB coach.
That pretty much sums it up.
2007 32nd
2008 6th
2009 4th
2010 3rd
2011 1st
2012 2nd
2013 4th
2014 5th
2015 2nd
2016 1st
2017 1st
2018 10th
2019 15th
2020 13th
2021 37th
Pete Golding hired in 2018 as Co-defensive coordinator and ILB coach. 2019-present-DC and ILB coach.
That pretty much sums it up.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:06 am to DT55Forever1
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Pete Golding hired in 2018 as Co-defensive coordinator and ILB coach. 2019-present-DC and ILB coach.
It's no coincidence that the last time we got consistently good ILB play was from SDH, Evans, and Mack in 2017. Then Mack was suddenly complete shite in 2018, 2019 was a fricking disaster but there was the injury excuse, and last year was sub-par on their best days. Now this year is looking just like last year, if not worse. It's as if there's a common denominator to all of this.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:10 am to Robot Santa
I agree - the more I watch the more I become convinced that Pete Golding the DC isn't the problem, Pete Golding the ILB coach is the problem.
I'm not sure how good Pete Golding the DC is at this job, but I do at least put credence in the fact that one of the all-time great DCs apparently truly thinks he is/can be very good at it.
I feel pretty confident after watching us rotate through multiple groups of LB - including a few who we've watched from their infancy as freshmen to what should be upperclassmen leaders - that the ILB coaching and development is dog shite.
I'm not sure how good Pete Golding the DC is at this job, but I do at least put credence in the fact that one of the all-time great DCs apparently truly thinks he is/can be very good at it.
I feel pretty confident after watching us rotate through multiple groups of LB - including a few who we've watched from their infancy as freshmen to what should be upperclassmen leaders - that the ILB coaching and development is dog shite.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
Speaking of him specifically as an inside linebacker coach he's by far the worst I've seen under Nick Saban. I mean coach Saban has to see it if normal fans sees the inside linebacker drop off the last 3 seasons. It can't always be the players fault, their play on the field is a direct reflection of his coaching of that position.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:22 am to TD7
Yea I don't pretend to have 1% of the ability to watch and evaulate as true football guys, led alone Nick Saban, but it seems to me that a game like Saturday should never happen with 2 talented, experienced ILBs that are well coached.
Will they make some mistakes? Of course. Should they be lost for multiple possessions over the course of 3 quarters? No, I wouldn't think so.
It was understandable in 2019 and even 2020, but in 2021? With Harris in his 3rd year as a full time starter and HTT in his 3rd? I just don't see how that's not a flashing red light, but who knows.
Will they make some mistakes? Of course. Should they be lost for multiple possessions over the course of 3 quarters? No, I wouldn't think so.
It was understandable in 2019 and even 2020, but in 2021? With Harris in his 3rd year as a full time starter and HTT in his 3rd? I just don't see how that's not a flashing red light, but who knows.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:43 am to DT55Forever1
Well there it is. I would be curious George, to see where and specifically how the ranking went up or down week by week. 13th doesn’t seem all that bad but was shite at the beginning and got better? It seemed like our defense played its best against ND and OSU last year.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:51 am to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:53 am to DT55Forever1
Oh damn nice thank you. Let me take a look.
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Ok looking at the data
2019 ranked 15 total with an average of 19 PPG. The last 3 were worse overall than anything else at 23.7.
2020 ranked 13, same story as 2019. Overall average 19.4 but last 3 28.
2021 ranked 37, overall 21 and last 3 29.
So basically we are exactly the same under Pete Golding every year.
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Ok looking at the data
2019 ranked 15 total with an average of 19 PPG. The last 3 were worse overall than anything else at 23.7.
2020 ranked 13, same story as 2019. Overall average 19.4 but last 3 28.
2021 ranked 37, overall 21 and last 3 29.
So basically we are exactly the same under Pete Golding every year.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 11:02 am to TomRollTideRitter
Y’all will realize that Sanders is probably the best LB outside of Will Anderson soon enough.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 11:08 am to Crimsonite94
I assume Nick and staff took a look at Sanders as an ILBer but determined that wasn't his best gig. He has football savvy you can tell.
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