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re: Florida - Defense Play Charting - Full Game (cliffs - DL not dominated, the ILB were)

Posted on 9/19/21 at 5:41 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 5:41 pm to
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We were also very fortunate that Anthony Richardson didn't play because he's a freak compared to Jones and we saw what Jones did to us.



Probably true, but on second watch Emory Jones made PERFECT decisions on all of their option stuff. We had guys ready to mash the QB/RB a few times and he perfectly timed handoffs and keeps. A guy without much experience could have easily ended in a few fumbles or big losses that change drives.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 5:55 pm to
The worst play, one that made me throw my remote, was Hellams missed tackle on third and ten on their own goal line. That play was such a big momentum shift. We could have put the game out of reach had he just broken down and made the tackle.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 6:01 pm to
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The worst play, one that made me throw my remote, was Hellams missed tackle on third and ten on their own goal line. That play was such a big momentum shift. We could have put the game out of reach had he just broken down and made the tackle.


That wasn't even really a missed tackle. I don't know what the frick he saw on that play, but he broke on the route like he thought he had a chance at an INT and then realized halfway there that he didn't and tried to recover.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 6:04 pm to
I would love the hear the conversation from Nick and Pete with those ILBers today or tomorrow after film review.

Ole Miss gets two weeks to prepare for Bama with that open date.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 7:46 pm to
I guess you just have to hope that they got in a bad rut and it snowballed on the.....but yea having 2 veteran ILBs look that bad is not great.
Posted by Brostache48
Member since Dec 2019
554 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 7:48 pm to
I'm all for Branch/moore taking Hellams spot at safety and letting a young guy like kool-aid play the star or money position. I mean if we're going to deal with those type of busts from a player, may as well be a younger player that's going to learn from the mistakes rather than a veteran that shouldn't be doing it. Same goes for Daniel Wright.

I definitely want to see Moody get more playing time too. He played that last play from scrimmage to perfection on keeping Jones contained and finishing the tackle
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 7:52 pm to
Branch is such a play maker. He needs to be on the field as often as possible. So versatile. I also want to see what Kool Aid can do if Jobe keeps getting PI penalties. The opposing team will keep throwing at him. I also liked what I saw from Marcus Banks when he played.
Posted by Brostache48
Member since Dec 2019
554 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 7:52 pm to
And by the way SOG thanks for all the time you put into these types of breakdowns and your weekly prediction models once there is enough data. I love this stuff and it's always a good conversation starter
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 7:53 pm to
Thanks man appreciate it. I just like trying to figure out what's going on and it's fun to talk about here.

Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:09 pm to
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Ole Miss gets two weeks to prepare for Bama with that open date.


Kiffin doesn't need 2 weeks, he doesn't need 2 hours, he already has in place what he's gonna do.
Honestly, he could probably hand Pete Golding his play sheet and we will still give up 35+ points.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:27 pm to
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Thanks man appreciate it. I just like trying to figure out what's going on and it's fun to talk about here.



Great job, SOG. Aligns with Husky Pup's excellent analysis posted on BOL. Bottom line: Mullen schemed a good Bama-specific offensive plan & wrinkles. It wasn't on any prior film, so our DC and defense weren't prepared for it. And shooting ourselves in the foot (via penalties) for three 3 & outs in the 2nd quarter made matters much worse. Expect the unexpected in Kiffin & Co's offensive scheme too.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 6:26 am
Posted by Brostache48
Member since Dec 2019
554 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:41 pm to
Yep and that's why I don't feel as bad after that win. Still isn't going to stop the chicken Littles from freaking out once Georgia puts on a good showing against them when they play though
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3295 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:50 pm to
Alabama will have to score 50, at least, to win against Ole Miss. There's no telling what Lane and his staff have been cooking up. Remember, they've played nobody to this point.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:53 pm to
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the ILB were


There’s a shocker.

Hey, who coaches ILBs? Anybody know?
Posted by FeralFeral
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 9:02 pm to
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Kiffin doesn't need 2 weeks, he doesn't need 2 hours, he already has in place what he's gonna do.
Honestly, he could probably hand Pete Golding his play sheet and we will still give up 35+ points.


Yeah, I mean, bye week or not, Kiffin is spending his time bar hopping, running tinder game, hitting his boys with the "hey, what's the capital of Thailand?" nut tap, pounding shots, and trolling on twitter... right up until game time. And Golding's getting worked.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 9:03 pm to
Saban teams have usually been known for strength up the middle. Nose-DT/MLB/Safeties. Yesterday that is where the gators ate our lunch.

#2 was a mess - bad read 1st step then could never get back in position. When he should force an outside release he kept allowing a quick release to the inside and got toasted.

#8 - about mid 2nd qtr UF started creating a false read 1st step by Harris then he was getting caught in the wash or out of position.

#10 - the false read issue that hammered Harris was also an issue for HT. his reaction was not as bad but it caused him to respond a little more slowly than normal and he would have to step back 2 or 3 steps to go around the OT attempting to seal block him. The result was and extra 3 plus yards beyond his normal reaction time to the ball carrier.

#50 was playing too high and got pushed or washed out of the play too often. This created quick hit holes for short yardage or a cut-back lane for bigger gains #94 did better at anchoring but never got much penetration.

All of these issues were generated intentionally by Mullen. Dan gave OM/AU/UGA a diagram to follow.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16995 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 9:50 pm to
Thanks for that. Well explained.

Can these items be fixed or is this something other teams scheme and then we get hosed the rest of the year?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:04 pm to
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Tw1st3d


Great stuff

As noted, Florida only ran 5 speed/read option run plays in the 1st half. They ran 13 in the 2nd half.

Mullen either saw something in the 1st half or gameplanned multiple things to see how we reacted and then zeroed in on the read/speed play in the 2nd to effect our eyes and open the rest up.

The good news is - we won and we got great tape for veterans to review and work through. The bad news, what if it isn't fixable during the season for those 2 and their quick decision making?

Kiffin will absolutely test it early in 2 weeks. But with the added slant attached to it.
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4364 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:07 pm to
Boz, Can it be fixed.. Eh... not this year, but yes in offseason.

Just because mullin gave them the gameplan doesn't mean it'll work again. He just gave Saban a new challenge and saban thrives for it.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11456 posts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:04 pm to
I don't understand the mental errors. Defending the option is merely assignment football. You do YOUR job, and let everyone else do theirs and you stop it dead in it's tracks. The interior DL has the dive back, tackle him every time. The DE/OLB has the QB, and your job is make the QB pitch the ball, then kill him anyway. The CB has pitch responsibility, turn it back inside where your help is, keep outside leverage and tackle him. The ILB is supposed to be scraping along the line following the QB until he picks his poison and either leaves it with the dive back, keeps it, or pitches it and you clean up the play. Our ILB were out of position and the OLB's kept turning their shoulders in to the QB.

IMHO, all our offensive problems come back to the poor offensive line play. Bryce didn't get knocked around a lot, but he was constantly hurried and never was very comfortable back there after the 1st quarter. And the running game couldn't get in on 1st and goal from the 1. We're all bitching about lack of explosive plays and playmakers, but folks, you can't run long, slow developing patterns if your OL can't keep the defense out of the backfield and if you can't run the ball, they don't have to respect that either. So they can tee off on your QB all day if all you can do is run short and intermediate routes and they don't respect the run. Some people up front better grow up and grow up fast, because they are getting manhandled up there and it's disrupting the whole offense. We need alphas on O to step up and get people pulling together.
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 11:09 pm
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