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New study finds married parents, not race, single biggest factor in success
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:57 am
The biggest privilege in America today? Married Privilege. If you are the child of parents who are married, you have the biggest privilege of anyone in the nation. Race doesn't matter.
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Finally, mobility is significantly lower in areas with weaker family structures, as measured e.g. by the fraction of single parents. As with race, parents’ marital status does not matter purely through its effects at the individual level. Children of married parents also have higher rates of upward mobility in communities with fewer single parents. Interestingly, we find no correlation between racial shares and upward mobility once we control for the fraction of single parents in an area.
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We find modest correlations between upward mobility and local tax and government expenditure policies and no systematic correlation between mobility and local labor market conditions, rates of migration, or access to higher education.
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:58 am to cokebottleag
I'd agree with this because it promotes stability and routine and confirmation that children need. Divorce and single parenting can lead to some extremely odd family dynamics for kids.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:00 am to cokebottleag
Makes sense.
Race really isn't an indicator of much substance, anyways.
ETA: Yes, my parents are still on their only marriage and this year will be their 30th anniversary
Race really isn't an indicator of much substance, anyways.
ETA: Yes, my parents are still on their only marriage and this year will be their 30th anniversary
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:02 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes, my parents are still on their only marriage and this year will be their 30th anniversary
We got your parents beat. 33 in August.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:02 am to cokebottleag
Pretty obvious brah
The "not race" thing is not really necessary
The "not race" thing is not really necessary
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:02 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Makes sense.
Race really isn't an indicator of much substance, anyways.
ETA: Yes, my parents are still on their only marriage and this year will be their 30th anniversary
You only say this because your race. Black Privilege /s
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:03 am to Pavoloco83
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33 in August.
My 'rents also got married in August, funny enough
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:07 am to Pavoloco83
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We got your parents beat. 33 in August.
Mine celebrate 52 in June
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:08 am to Agforlife
Since we're doing this
37 in July. Their 25th shindig seems like yesterday. Damn.
37 in July. Their 25th shindig seems like yesterday. Damn.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:09 am to cokebottleag
Yep. Single parenting is highly correlated with many social problems. The way some conservatives are anti-science on biological issues (evolution), some liberals are anti-science on social science issues (single parent families being a prominent example).
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:10 am to cokebottleag
No, no, no, you have it all wrong. The media told me that Tbird will never be as successful as me bc he's African American and my white privilege holds him down.
I tried to argue with them that tbird seemed to be an upstanding, articulate, intelligent, and hardworking guy that is pretty successful and they explained to me how wrong I was and how my white privilege gave him no chance
Such a shame
I tried to argue with them that tbird seemed to be an upstanding, articulate, intelligent, and hardworking guy that is pretty successful and they explained to me how wrong I was and how my white privilege gave him no chance
Such a shame
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:13 am to Pavoloco83
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Divorce and single parenting can lead to some extremely odd family dynamics for kids.
It can but (and I've asked this a lot) at what point do you stop blaming your parents for divorcing or society or anything else and take charge of your own life?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:46 am to Wtodd
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It can but (and I've asked this a lot) at what point do you stop blaming your parents for divorcing or society or anything else and take charge of your own life?
Hard to know how to act with a wife or child if you never had an example to learn from as a child. You're asking 15-30 year old children to act like adult men, but they've never seen one up close. You might as well ask them to act like Martians.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:03 am to Wtodd
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It can but (and I've asked this a lot) at what point do you stop blaming your parents for divorcing or society or anything else and take charge of your own life?
That's a separate issue.
The reality is that no-fault divorce is a damaging force to a society, both sociologically and financially.
How one responds to one's situation is independent. The structural difficulties that divorce presents will have their effect on the macro, however you respond.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:04 pm to the808bass
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You're asking 15-30 year old children to act like adult men, but they've never seen one up close
OK fair enough to a point....at 15 we all know right from wrong and it shouldn't take until you're 30 to figure out who's doing it right and who isn't (real men vs. overage males).
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The reality is that no-fault divorce is a damaging force to a society, both sociologically and financially.
I agree but society's thin skin continues to allow people to blame everyone else for their issues instead of looking in the mirror and say "I've got to take control of my own life." My Mom and father divorced when I was 6 (I'm 55 now). At 14 or 15 I knew he was a POS & said "that will not be me."
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:15 pm to Wtodd
I've been preaching this at the top of the hilltop forever but no one listens
I come from a single parent household. My dad was around, but my parents weren't married.
I don't think that the avg married dude understands just how much better off they have it.
I see all this shite about parents giving their kids money to help them buy their first house, how kids parents help them finance their first car, how kids parents have saved money for college, none of that shite happens in a single parent house hold.
And my mom makes really good money. We lived in a upper middle class household, she drove a benz but still, anything beyond the here and now, isn't happening in a single parent house hold. My mom could not afford to put food on the table and clothes on my back and at the same time save for me to go to college. I had to work 2 jobs for an entire summer to scrape together enough to buy my first car.
When I was 18 years old I basically got luggage for my birhtday and was told to GTFO lol. My mom was ready for me to get on with my life so she could breathe financially.
I spent pretty much my entire 20's playing catchup to all my friends. I'm in a good place now but I had to do a lOT of work to get where I am, a lot of it would not have had to been done if I had the stability of a 2 parent house hold.
My best frined is a 27 about to be 28 year old female. Her parents have been married for almost 30 years. She STILL lives at home. She has a full time job, she owns a side business that she will run full time one day, her parents paid for her college and her brothers college. Because she lives at home and has a job making 50k a year she was able to save about 50 thousand dollars over the last 4 years. I make almost twice as much as she makes and I don't have 50k in the bank
So she will get married here later this year, her parents will pay for her wedding and she's off and running.
Not even getting into how kids are raised and what not.
I come from a single parent household. My dad was around, but my parents weren't married.
I don't think that the avg married dude understands just how much better off they have it.
I see all this shite about parents giving their kids money to help them buy their first house, how kids parents help them finance their first car, how kids parents have saved money for college, none of that shite happens in a single parent house hold.
And my mom makes really good money. We lived in a upper middle class household, she drove a benz but still, anything beyond the here and now, isn't happening in a single parent house hold. My mom could not afford to put food on the table and clothes on my back and at the same time save for me to go to college. I had to work 2 jobs for an entire summer to scrape together enough to buy my first car.
When I was 18 years old I basically got luggage for my birhtday and was told to GTFO lol. My mom was ready for me to get on with my life so she could breathe financially.
I spent pretty much my entire 20's playing catchup to all my friends. I'm in a good place now but I had to do a lOT of work to get where I am, a lot of it would not have had to been done if I had the stability of a 2 parent house hold.
My best frined is a 27 about to be 28 year old female. Her parents have been married for almost 30 years. She STILL lives at home. She has a full time job, she owns a side business that she will run full time one day, her parents paid for her college and her brothers college. Because she lives at home and has a job making 50k a year she was able to save about 50 thousand dollars over the last 4 years. I make almost twice as much as she makes and I don't have 50k in the bank
So she will get married here later this year, her parents will pay for her wedding and she's off and running.
Not even getting into how kids are raised and what not.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:18 pm to Pavoloco83
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Divorce and single parenting can lead to some extremely odd family dynamics for kids.
And some crazy darn bishes.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:21 pm to vengeanceofrain
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vengeanceofrain
So are you pissed that you didn't have that silver spoon growing up OR glad that you earned everything you have?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:25 pm to vengeanceofrain
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And my mom makes really good money. We lived in a upper middle class household, she drove a benz but still, anything beyond the here and now, isn't happening in a single parent house hold. My mom could not afford to put food on the table and clothes on my back and at the same time save for me to go to college. I had to work 2 jobs for an entire summer to scrape together enough to buy my first car.
I'm really not trying to criticize, but the beginning of the paragraph and the latter do not match up. Living in a upper middle neighborhood with a Benz while not affording to put food on the table usually don't go hand in hand.
That is really one of the underestimated portions of marriage, finances. Especially when there are 2 incomes, rather than just one. Each marriage or single parent is different. I know single parents who have lived within their financial means to put their kids through college.
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My best frined is a 27 about to be 28 year old female. Her parents have been married for almost 30 years. She STILL lives at home. She has a full time job, she owns a side business that she will run full time one day, her parents paid for her college and her brothers college. Because she lives at home and has a job making 50k a year she was able to save about 50 thousand dollars over the last 4 years. I make almost twice as much as she makes and I don't have 50k in the bank
Once you got an income, there are scenarios where it would make sense to live at home. Not having to pay an extra rent or house payment and helping your parent financially.
Just my observations.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:25 pm to Wtodd
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So are you pissed that you didn't have that silver spoon growing up OR glad that you earned everything you have?
Make no mistake, my mother raised and outstanding human being. I work my arse off, I never stepped foot on a college campus and I own a web development company at 31 years old, I have no debt and I have made more money every year for the last 6 years. I'm on pace to make over 200k this year.
I'm glad that I was not raised with a silver spoon in my mouth. I'm just saying, when we are talking about "having it better" or how such and such just needs to "get it together" I'm just saying that kids from married families often overlook the vast advantages that they have over people that come form single parent house holds.
There are things that I wish I had differently though I wish my dad was around to teach me man shite lol. My mother raised me with an extremely unrealistic and unhealthy view of women that took years for me to get over.
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