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re: The thing about portal players
Posted on 12/19/23 at 8:57 am to Doak Walker
Posted on 12/19/23 at 8:57 am to Doak Walker
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The bigger problem with portal players is that they don't have time to learn the system.
Yep, this is the main issue. Kirby has a system that he learned from Saban that Kirby has refined successfully to the tune of back-to-back NC.
We need players who will commit to Georgia and want to learn and play in Kirby's system.
The QB position is particularly demanding and it is unlikely that any Freshman will be able to start at Georgia which is why many 5 star QB's won't want to come to Georgia.
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Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:04 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:What I've noticed with LSU's portal guys, is even when they're good enough to play, it takes time for them to learn the new schemes they're in, and the players around them.
The thing about portal players is that there are maybe 25 of them that are legitimately good, SEC starter type players. The rest are in search of playing time that they couldn’t find at their last place.
Of note:
Jayden Daniels- 2022 showed flashes, but was uneven. Tried to lean on Boutte at WR since he was a 'known' target, but Boutte regressed and that hurt Daniels.
2023 he knew the system and was comfortable with Nabers as the man, and he won the Heisman.
Mekhi Wingo, Jordan Jefferson- DL, able to just attack the offense fine.
DBs- that's a big one. Have had multiple guys come through, defense has been very vanilla; it got better towards the end of 2022 but those guys moved on. 2023 had more new guys, hasn't gotten better this season- vanilla and now playing freshmen.
Logan Diggs at RB looked good, 100 yd back when healthy.
Omar Speights looked lost at LB.
Duce Chestnut looked physically overmatched at corner- in position but too small to make plays.
Zy Alexander looked lost at corner, unable to get into position.
Anderson at WR just never clicked, couldn't get a spot in the return game as anticipated either.
Speights and Chestnut were All-Conference in the Pac 12 and ACC respectively, so you'd project they would be at least average in the SEC. They weren't= Speights was a step late and a total non-factor all season, probably went from mid round draft pick to undrafted. Chestnut stayed with his man, but anyone 6'2 or larger simply caught the ball over him routinely, like watching a point guard try to rebound against real forwards in basketball. His pro aspirations are likely shot, as you just can't fix his lack of height.
The TL,DR version: guys might be "good enough", but will be relying on raw talent a year or so until they learn the scheme. And sometimes, they won't have that raw talent, and/or might be coming into a scheme that exposes them. If they rely on timing and coordination with others, for practical purposes they're the same as a freshman.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:13 am to meansonny
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The rivalry game will be special if you win.
I think you're viewing this from a fan's perspective. A 3rd down sack, or an 80 yard touchdown will always be important in games when you play other nationally ranked teams. But do you truly believe that any portal player is going to develop a true hatred for an AU or Georgia Tech over the course of 1 year? No. The fans and coaches will tell them that it's a rivalry game, but that's it.
I would argue that bowl games have always been fairly unimportant for portal players, unless it's the CFB Playoffs.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:26 am to Crimson_Chaos
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But do you truly believe that any portal player is going to develop a true hatred for an AU or Georgia Tech over the course of 1 year?
Shaun Alexander told me one time it took him time to get used to the IB coming from Kentucky.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:28 am to RefineryRich
For the most part, portal players aren’t worth it. Egotistical, over ranked busts. Looking at the A&M class of 2022…that had 26 players enter the portal. There were two 5* and thirteen 4* among those 26 players. ..1/3 of them aren’t on any team any longer…most of them couldn’t break into the starting lineup at A&M….almost all the rest are playing for insignificant teams, most aren’t even starters in the minor leagues. 3 or 4 of the bunch turned out to be serious disciplinary problems for not only A&M but the also for the teams they transferred to. The majority of portal players have been proven to be non contributors not only to the team they left but to their new team as well. These selfish idiots don’t care about the school, their teammates, or rivalries.
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:28 am to Crimson_Chaos
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I think you're viewing this from a fan's perspective
Why would I (a fan) care about any one else's perspective?
You lost me there.
Did I care that Vince Dooley played for Auburn?
Did Auburn fans care that Pat Dye played at UGA?
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:05 am to meansonny
I think you've missed my point completely. The rivalry isn't any different for the fans. MY point was that portal players may see it differently because they have not personally developed a tie to the rivalry... thus making rivalry games a little less special if you have a bunch of portal players on your roster. Is the QB gonna lower he shoulder on 3 & 2 to get the extra yards to convert against a hated rival, or is he gonna slide to protect himself / step out bounds. We all know players play with more of a chip during rivalry games, that's why the IB is always so tight. You may lose some of that with portal players.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:08 am to Crimson_Chaos
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MY point was that portal players may see it differently because they have not personally developed a tie to the rivalry... thus making rivalry games a little less special if you have a bunch of portal players on your roster.
Less special for whom?
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Is the QB gonna lower he shoulder on 3 & 2 to get the extra yards to convert against a hated rival, or is he gonna slide to protect himself / step out bounds.
That's a coaching issue.
QB coach. OC. Head coach are all included on that coaching.
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:30 am to Doak Walker
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They're not loyal to the school,
Agree
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but they are loyal to the guys they're shoulder-to-shoulder with.
Disagree
They are loyal to pay day only.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:46 am to Gray Tiger
Exactly so Grey Tiger. For example, when Max Johnson is selling used tires somewhere ten years from now…what loyalty would he have after spending a mediocre year at LSU, A&M, UNC ? He would have contributed nothing to any team he played for, would not have taken advantage of a good education from any of the good schools he attended, will not have made lifelong friends and camaraderie at a school he could identify with.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:49 am to meansonny
Less special for the fans when you have no idea who the hell is playing for either team from year to year
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:57 pm to RefineryRich
Where is your evidence to support this?
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:13 pm to RefineryRich
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Most of these guys dont care about the school or the team.
Which makes them just like high school recruits in 2023.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:58 pm to RefineryRich
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Less special for the fans when you have no idea who the hell is playing for either team from year to year
He specifically said that he wasn't referencing it from the fans perspective.
I'm still trying to figure out what he's talking about
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:09 pm to meansonny
I actually think Ole Miss has the correct model. Unless you are getting instant contributors from high school (rare), why bother with those players as much. You are just developing them for another team down the road.
I'd like to see A&M shift recruiting focus to obtain up to 33% of the team from the portal. I'd rather have a 3* player that is mature than a 4 star fresh out of high school. Now if a HS player can contribute in year one or two, then take them.
Otherwise, focus on filling holes in the roster with established talent through the portal. None of these kids care about the name on the back of the jersey anyway.
I'd like to see A&M shift recruiting focus to obtain up to 33% of the team from the portal. I'd rather have a 3* player that is mature than a 4 star fresh out of high school. Now if a HS player can contribute in year one or two, then take them.
Otherwise, focus on filling holes in the roster with established talent through the portal. None of these kids care about the name on the back of the jersey anyway.
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:34 pm to ColoradoAg
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I actually think Ole Miss has the correct model. Unless you are getting instant contributors from high school (rare), why bother with those players as much. You are just developing them for another team down the road.
If your offense and defense can be built with 1 year rentals, then your scheme and playbook are too simple.
Right now, UGAs offense takes about 2 years for the QB/WR to operate proficiently.
The same for LB/S/nickel/star defenders on defense.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:54 pm to meansonny
I think simplicity is key when it comes to the scheme. These kids need a simple system in which to showcase their talents. So they can make more money from another team after they are tampered with and hit the portal.
And also for the NFL.
And also for the NFL.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:41 pm to ColoradoAg
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I think simplicity is key when it comes to the scheme. These kids need a simple system in which to showcase their talents. So they can make more money from another team after they are tampered with and hit the portal.
And also for the NFL.
I think this will play heavily into a few guys' draft prospects.
Jayden Daniels should be a safe choice at QB. He had talent, and flashed some at Arizona State. When he came to LSU, he had a good year in 2022 (not overall elite, but had a few big games where he showed he could do things). Then after a year, he won the Heisman while putting up insane stats. This, in a Mike Denbrock system, which hadn't been seen as a stat-stuffing scheme; it's usually considered pretty pedestrian.
Bo Nix blossomed at Oregon, but they generally have QBs putting up good numbers.
My take is that Daniels helped himself immensely, and Nix is going to be seen as a system guy.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:58 pm to RefineryRich
It’s great when they come it sucks when they leave. Hendon Hooker was one of the best things that’s happened to UT in a long time. I can’t complain too much
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:08 pm to RefineryRich
LSU actually uses the portal to largely bring LA kids back to the state.
Greg Brooks
Aaron Anderson
Zavion Thomas
Gilbert
And several more. Then you have guys like Burns, speights(
), Wingo, Daniels, ect that add depth or fill positions of need.
Greg Brooks
Aaron Anderson
Zavion Thomas
Gilbert
And several more. Then you have guys like Burns, speights(
), Wingo, Daniels, ect that add depth or fill positions of need.
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