re: Most Overrated/Underated Quarterbacks in the SEC this upcoming season?

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This is Kelly's year.

With Nick Saban off to the lake, Kelly has to step up. DeBoer -- he will be a solid HC down the road, but it's gonna take him a few seasons to get his feet under himself.

Freeze -- That guy's strengths were from pre-NIL times. Auburn's a dumpster fire, plain and simple. Freeze will be out of the fambly in two, maybe three seasons. Auburn sucks. Period.

Kiffin -- Ole Miss will look flashy for a hot minute. But, come on, no depth, no defense. They’ll be crumbling by the end of the season.

Mizzou -- Total paper tiger.

Tennessee -- See Ole Miss. They’ll drop at least three games if their QB situation is the usual mess at the end of the season and it will be.

Texas -- Might be decent, but Manning? Big question mark. Probably won’t live up to the hype imo.

Oklahoma -- They’re losing at least four games. They'll get better probably but not anytime soon.

The rest -- Same old story. They suck, especially sad, sad A&M.

If Kelly can't battle Georgia over the SEC at least this season, he may never do it.

This is his shot. Time for him to step up.

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how's mizzou a paper tiger?

Carson Beck is an interesting case.

On one hand he's ranked high amongst heisman contenders and in next year's NFL draft projections.

On the other hand, many fans of other SEC teams view him more as a game manager rather than a difference maker at QB.

The reality is probably somewhere between those two, but few people see him in the middle ground.

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Oklahoma wasn't that good last year. Yes, you guys beat us, but I think you were cheating your asses off..

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How was OU cheating?
An actual reporter after Bedlam told Gundy that the B12 didn’t want an OU Texas championship. Literally on camera. Dude the amount of nonesense called down the stretch was hard to watch. I get it, OU and Texas have benefited with calls going their way for many years but last year was just a disgrace by the B12

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Rivals: 2022-8
2023-6
2024-7
2025(current) 3

It’s funny you brought up Texas. Texas was out recruiting OU during the Brown years and look how that ended up. I’m not sure using Texas as one of the measuring sticks helps. I’m not saying OU is going to be better than or more loaded than the likes UGA or Bama but its just arrogant to place them middle of the pack when the only teams from the SEC who have beaten them recently were elite teams that would have beaten any team those years

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2023 talent Composite:

OU was 9th, which on the surface is good. But that put them as 6th amongst SEC teams rather than 2nd amongst Big 12 teams last year. There were 3 more SEC teams rated as having more talent before the next highest talent Big 12 team on the list.

Talent isn't everything in college football, but it is a big factor. Having 1 regular season game against a more talented team is an easier challenge to face than having 3-4 (which is what OU will likely face. Having 2 opponents in the top 20 in the nation in talent is easier than facing 4-6 opponents in that range.

The reality is only four teams in the new 16 team SEC were out of the top 25 in talent last year. MSU (29th), UK (31st), Arkansas (32nd) and Vandy (58th). Vandy had more talent than UK, Iowa State and Kansas State.

It's going to be harder in the SEC. OU can still have success, but you're going to have some 9-3 seasons that would have been 11-1 seasons had you played in the Big 12.

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Technically, you're right about 2014 but the game in 2015 was a pure fluke. We all know it.
Did Alabama beat themselves or "we wuz hurt"?

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I don't think it was a fluke; that being said, Ole Miss getting 3 picks is the reason they won that game - not really the play of Chad Kelly.

Your defense being incredibly advantageous is why you won that game. They may have given up a good bit of yards and points, but they managed a +3 turnover ratio. That won the game.

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Rivals: 2022-8 2023-6 2024-7

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So 2022 you were lower than Bama, Tamu, Texas, UGA

In 2023 you were lower than Bama, UGA, Texas, LSU

In 2024 you were lower than UGA, Bama, Texas, LSU, Auburn

What about my post are you disputing?

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I’m not saying OU is going to be better than or more loaded than the likes UGA or Bama but its just arrogant to place them middle of the pack when the only teams from the SEC who have beaten them recently were elite teams that would have beaten any team those years.

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You were the one who brought up recruiting. You are middle of the pack in recruiting in the SEC.

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I’m just saying it’s weird how much SEC fans dislike OU.

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I don’t dislike OU. Just stating facts

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Nuss not overrated

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Well, he might be. LSU confidence in him being good is based on a similar number of games played that Tennessee fans had last year going into the season thinking Milton would be good.

Nuss last 3 seasons:

219 pass attempts, 129 completions (59%), 7.9 YPA, 11 TD, 7 INT.

Milton's 3 seasons before becoming UT starter:

285 pass attempts, 165 completions (58%), 8.5 YPA, 16 TD, 4 INT.


Essentially, LSU fans are acting like Tennessee fans were last year about Joe Milton.

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Definitely can win a natty with a nuss

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Maybe?

Nuss has worse stats coming into this year than Joe Milton had going into last season. You could be as wrong about Nuss as UT fans were about Milton.

And that doesn't even include Milton's ability to run the ball.

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I don't think it was a fluke; that being said, Ole Miss getting 3 picks is the reason they won that game - not really the play of Chad Kelly.

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That was the game Bama also fumbled 2 kickoff returns and Saban started Cooper Bateman for some reason before Coker came in to try to save the game

It also featured that long TD which the ball was snapped too high and Kelly chucked the ball up for grabs which bounced off two Bama players before hitting the OM WR.

Ole Miss earned the win but it was probably one of the weirdest losses Bama had under Saban

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How was OU cheating?

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My opinion is that Venables was stealing the play calls.. similar to what Harbaugh was doing at Michigan.. similar to what Clemson was accused of doing while Venables was at Clemson.

We started huddling in the 2nd half and had a lot more success. Maybe I'm wrong, but y'all didn't look like the same team when I watched later on in the season. I think teams figured out what was going on and made adjustments.

On that topic, I'm not sure how a headset will help this problem go away. The QB will still have to signal to his WR the play call.. or the WR will still have to get the play call from the sidelines..

I get it. It's a part of the game, much like baseball. Coaches just have to get smarter to avoid having their plays stolen. If I was a coach, I'd be trying to do the same thing.

I think a lot more gets made of the plays being stolen on offense, but I think it happens on the other side of the ball too.. If you know a team is blitzing.. or in man.. zone.. etc.. that's a huge advantage as well.