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re: "The Kid can't win the big game" ~Colin Cowherd
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:24 am to Sanford&MunSon
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:24 am to Sanford&MunSon
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Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:26 am to Sandwich
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Not even Joe fricking Montana could have done any better with this fricking oline
Agreed. If they give him 2 more seconds (maybe Gates doesn't just... fall?) Murray hits Rome for a solid gain.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:33 am to twhorn
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Agreed. If they give him 2 more seconds (maybe Gates doesn't just... fall?) Murray hits Rome at his feet for an incompletion or reception 3 yards behind the first down line after Murray throws behind him.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:40 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Worst thing Erin has going for him is that space in between his ears.
I agree to an extent. I don't think it's as complicated as people think though, I'd say it's more of an issue of he starts pressing after a mistake and trying to do too damn much (Florida is an example of this).
That, coupled with his physical limitations, makes for a bad situation.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:50 am to Sanford&MunSon
I don't buy it. We took a kid who was a scrambling passer and tried to turn him into a pro style pocket passer. Then we stick him behind terrible offensive lines in the toughest conference in the country. To make it better, we try to put the whole game on him by refusing to utilize the running game to it's obvious strengths (in this game that would've meant attack the edges and not run Marshall off center).
The kid's not winning the big games, but I don't like blaming Murray when a)he's not in charge b) he doesn't recruit and c) half the time he's running for his life.
Blame the coaches for not putting him in position to win the big game...don't blame him.
And...before you guys come back with "Bobo didn't throw that pass"...I'd say that CMR and Bobo have been coaching him for years and decide to put him out there....they're responsbile for his performance.
The kid's not winning the big games, but I don't like blaming Murray when a)he's not in charge b) he doesn't recruit and c) half the time he's running for his life.
Blame the coaches for not putting him in position to win the big game...don't blame him.
And...before you guys come back with "Bobo didn't throw that pass"...I'd say that CMR and Bobo have been coaching him for years and decide to put him out there....they're responsbile for his performance.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:53 am to twhorn
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Agreed. If they give him 2 more seconds (maybe Gates doesn't just... fall?) Murray hits Rome for a solid gain.
What about the screen passes that our line couldn't set up? How do you take a 6 ft qtr back and ask him to throw 5 yards over the upstretched hands of guys who are 6'5?
It's hard not be scared when you're getting drilled in your back.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 9:58 am
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:55 am to HBTD
Colin Cowherd is a stupid jerk who doesn't know jackshit.
During the 2009 season he claimed that he had inside information Georgia would fire Mark Richt in 2010 if the Dawgs didn't win big.
Well, Georgia went 6-7 and Richt didn't get fired.
Football is a team game and Murray didn't lose any of those games by himself.
During the 2009 season he claimed that he had inside information Georgia would fire Mark Richt in 2010 if the Dawgs didn't win big.
Well, Georgia went 6-7 and Richt didn't get fired.
Football is a team game and Murray didn't lose any of those games by himself.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:01 am to samson'sseed
AM is too short to make a pure pocket passer. I understand Bobo and Richt are "pro style offense" purist but the NFL is evolving.
Gates looked like a freshmen in the clip. A 3 sec clip can tell you alot. Every single guy on the line got whipped.
Gates looked like a freshmen in the clip. A 3 sec clip can tell you alot. Every single guy on the line got whipped.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:04 am to SquatchDawg
I'm not blaming Murray for our losses. I agree that he shouldn't be and isn't a pocket passer. That's pretty much what I said. He's limited by his physical capacity. And you're right that the coaches shouldn't have put him in that position.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:12 am to smelvis
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I'd say it's more of an issue of he starts pressing after a mistake and trying to do too damn much
I don't know about all that boss. I think he just genuinely gets nervous and shits himself and only calms down when other (rb's,te's,wr's) make plays to take the pressure off of him.
I don't think that the QB should HAVE to carry the team by himself, but holy hell he should at least be able to carry his own weight without relying on being bailed out by the other players on the team.
Case in point UF last year
Drive 1: 3 Plays 20 yds, Gurley TD
Drive 2: 2 Plays 3 yds, Pick
Drive 3: 7 Plays 35 yds, Pick
Drive 4: 5 Plays 15 yds, Pick
The Gurley TD was set up by a Swann forced fumble that was recovered by Jarvis
South Carolina last year
Drive 1: 3 plays 13 yds, Pick
Drive 2: 3 plays 2 yds, Fumble
Drive 3: 6 plays 19 yds, Punt
Drive 4: 4 plays 14 yds, Punt
I am not a "Murray hater" by any means but you cannot ignore the facts. He needs others around him to make big plays because he is incapable of getting into any sort of rhythm without it.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:15 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
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He needs others around him to make big plays because he is incapable of getting into any sort of rhythm without it.
I would agree with this, and that essentially makes him a frontrunner.
But I think there's also a sufficient body of work to suggest that when he goes to the line on the series after a mistake, there's a good chance something else stupid is about to happen.
And you're absolutely right, when someone else makes a play, he'll calm the frick down again.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:16 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
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South Carolina last year
Which one of those plays was the one where Clowney was flying through the air about to kill him?
No QB is worth a crap when he has no time and defenders in his grill all night. Which sadly happens quite a bit when we play good teams.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:21 am to SquatchDawg
I agree and I know I have been a broken record about this but other, great QBs play behind bad OLs too. I have used Eric Zeier, Aaron Rodgers, and hell even David Greene all had bad OLs at one point or another and yet they don't fold. It's nto even that he's ineffective at times, he's downright a detriment.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:32 am to SquatchDawg
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No QB is worth a crap when he has no time and defenders in his grill all night. Which sadly happens quite a bit when we play good teams.
I agree 100% and I am fairly sure that the Clowney sack via whiffed block by Marshall came on the third drive. I do not expect Murray to put the team on his back and will these guys to victory. I mean it is pretty evident that he is no Cam, Tebow, or Johnny Football. He is just wired different and that is completely fine by me. However, he is an exceptional QB who SHOULD excel at game management given the fact that he is a 4 yr starter and should learn from past mistakes seeing as he has pretty much seen everything by this point. My fear is that he does not learn from his mistakes and constantly repeats them over and over without taking corrective measures. I mean honestly guys when was the last time you remember AM throwing the ball away because the primary and secondary receivers were covered? Exactly, he still attempts to force things that are not there instead of letting the game come to him.
I will not try to pretend that the OL play is sufficient, because quite frankly it has been far from ideal for about 4-5 years. Still as others have stated you do not necessarily need an excellent OL to be a successful QB who can manage the game and put the team in a position to win.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:40 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
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I will not try to pretend that the OL play is sufficient, because quite frankly it has been far from ideal for about 4-5 years. Still as others have stated you do not necessarily need an excellent OL to be a successful QB who can manage the game and put the team in a position to win.
This OL isn't built for pass blocking.
Murray's faults are his and they likely won't change, but the continued multiple formation BS and lack of commitment to making the run game work is probably the most maddening aspect of it all.
Georgia gets away from the 2-back/TE package for too long. The zone runs with Marshall in the A gap out of the gun with invert trips open? That sh*t sucked last year and it still sucks now. Every one of the godd*mn linebackers knows EXACTLY who's getting the ball. Every. Single. Damn. Time. Put Lynch and Rome out there, along with Hicks, Murray, and Gurley/Marshall all day err day. Georiga is stout as hell when we use these guys, but we look like clowns trying to spread the field most of the time. And DGD, prepare to hate me (again), but what the f*ck is this pistol crap we ran against Clemson?
That is NOT the old Nevada pistol scheme. It's like we're trying to do it just to show how f*cking smart and "multiple" we are. High school coaches do dumb stuff like that...stuff just to look smart. F*ck that. It's idiotic
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:52 am to smelvis
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Georgia gets away from the 2-back/TE package for too long. The zone runs with Marshall in the A gap out of the gun with invert trips open? That sh*t sucked last year and it still sucks now. Every one of the godd*mn linebackers knows EXACTLY who's getting the ball. Every. Single. Damn. Time.
I have no problem with adding the pistol, I actually like it a lot and shows that Sling Blade is open to some type of innovation. However, I did not agree with how we used Marshall when TGII went down. It seemed like we were just calling a bunch of runs up the gut, which we all know is not Marshall's forte. He has improved some from last year (that TD was nasty) but he still has a long way to go because I am sure throughout HS he could just bounce it outside and out run everyone to the endzone.
IMO Marshall would be best utilized on swing passes, screens, and the occasional buck sweep. Hell we could even run a few stretch plays to the weak side if we come out with a twin WR set. The kid is one hell of an athlete but right now we need to call plays to his strengths rather than trying to fit a square peg in a hole. He will improve in time and become a complete back, but right now he is still incredibly raw when it comes to running between the tackles.
I know that we tried to get him the ball on a screen in the second quarter, but still that was one play out of the quarter and a half that he was out there.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 10:55 am
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:55 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
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I actually like it a lot and shows that Sling Blade is open to some type of innovation.
Innovation for the pure sake of innovation isn't really innovation though. It's getting away from what works. Sling Blade made me snicker, perhaps even chortle, though. So + 1.
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It seemed like we were just calling a bunch of runs up the gut, which we all know is not Marshall's forte. He has improved some from last year (that TD was nasty) but he still has a long way to go because I am sure throughout HS he could just bounce it outside and out run everyone to the endzone.
Agreed. And lining him him and handing him the ball four yards deep in the backfield wasn't helping. At least try to get him outside.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/4/13 at 2:00 pm to twhorn
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(maybe Gates doesn't just... fall?)
I'm assuming he was going for a cut block..... but holy shite that was a bad attempt.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 2:56 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
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IMO Marshall would be best utilized on swing passes, screens, and the occasional buck sweep
Agreed. KM is an exceptional receiver from the backfeild. He's most dangerous in the open field and not running between Andrews and Dallas Lee
Bobo keeps insisting on trying to make him a power back like he insist on making Murray a pocket passer. He's pigeon holing these two guys and their ability.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 3:01 pm to HBTD
Simple. Want to guess who had a collegiate record of 28-17 with these statistics?
79/194 for 1,264 yards with 15 TD vs 13 INT.[18]
178/319 for 2,271 yards with 16 TD vs 5 INT.
206/381 for 2,588 yards with 14 TD vs 10 INT.
150/275 for 1,572 yards with 7 TD vs 6 INT.
Now, Cowherd and the rest of their ilk would say this kid has no chops. Can't cut it as a QB. Will never make it. The problem is this. Sometimes it is just the team surrounding the QB.
Did Murray make mistakes last Saturday? Sure! But he DID throw 323 yards in a BIG game. (You know...the games he supposedly does not play well in?)
By the way. The stats above belong to Bret Favre.
79/194 for 1,264 yards with 15 TD vs 13 INT.[18]
178/319 for 2,271 yards with 16 TD vs 5 INT.
206/381 for 2,588 yards with 14 TD vs 10 INT.
150/275 for 1,572 yards with 7 TD vs 6 INT.
Now, Cowherd and the rest of their ilk would say this kid has no chops. Can't cut it as a QB. Will never make it. The problem is this. Sometimes it is just the team surrounding the QB.
Did Murray make mistakes last Saturday? Sure! But he DID throw 323 yards in a BIG game. (You know...the games he supposedly does not play well in?)
By the way. The stats above belong to Bret Favre.
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