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re: OT: Anyone think Trump stands a chance?

Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:45 am to
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
3073 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:45 am to
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Stock up on tampons while you're at it.


You dreamers need to wake up. This is far more serious than you realize.
Posted by PDXDawg
Member since Aug 2013
753 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:54 am to
Not a "dreamer" lol...37 year old white guy. I absolutely hate the choices we have this year. They all suck. I'm just not stocking up on ammo and screaming the sky is falling, regardless of who wins.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:34 am to
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How irate will you be if the Republican Party makes good on what Tom Delay predicted and basically forces Trump out of the nomination?

It's a win-win either way in my opinion. Because the GOP has already commited suicide.

The more they openly plot to undermine people's votes, the quicker they bring on the inevitable death of this rotten corrupt neocon version of the republican party.

Nevermind who ends up winning the election....this circumstance alone is a net positive for this country and the entire world.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32867 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:48 am to
What replaces the neo con could also turn out to be worse or no better.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:39 am to
Be honest, have you actually paid real attention to what's going on and looked at the numbers and thought logically after looking at them?

The GOP voter turnout just hit all time record highs for the first 15 state primaries, up 66% (+3.2m) over 2008 when it hit all time highs then.

Meanwhile, the Democrat turnout was down 32% (-2.6m) from 2008. And that's with the 18-24 year old range being up almost 400% as a result of Bernie.

As soon as Bernie is out, the college kids go back into their Xbox caves.

And the more the Republican Establishment throws hate at Trump, the more popular he gets. The corrupt career establishment politicians are too freaking stupid and arrogant to realize the people of this country are tired of their bullshite lies and are going to make extra effort to pick whom the Establishment hates most.

And in the last 6 elections, whichever side had the greatest voter turnout in the state primaries won the presidency. And the fact the GOP is hitting record numbers is a huge deal. There's literally a 98% swing in voter turnout on top of this.

Hardline Democrats are dreading the thought of having to vote for Hillary, and the college kids only cared about the possibility of getting free tuition.

If you think Trump stands no chance with Hillary, you must have your head in the sand. Computer models that have been accurate with predicting the winner for decades are showing Trump winning in a landslide reminiscent of 1980.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29684 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
3073 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:13 pm to
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37 year old white guy


I have no idea what that correlates to. Enlighten me.

quote:

I absolutely hate the choices we have this year


What year did you like them? Enlighten me again.

quote:

I'm just not stocking up on ammo and screaming the sky is falling


I believe the status of the fed and the resulting changes in this society are the biggest threats to the welfare and continued existence of this republic (if we in fact still have one). And it needs to be changed drastically and brought back into the bounds of the Constitution. I too am not a fan of anyone, no one is floating my boat, but if Hillary rolls in, continues the dim agenda and perhaps even more importantly stocks the SC severely to the left, you won't have to worry about stocking up on ammo. You won't be able to get any.

This is a serious moment. Take it as such.
Posted by PDXDawg
Member since Aug 2013
753 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 8:16 am to
You called me a dreamer. That term is currently used in politics to describe young Mexican illegal immigrants who "dream" of becoming a US citizen. I.e the Dream Act. I thought that's what you were eluding to.

I supported Obama, I liked that choice. I wasn't all goey over him like a lot of people, but I was comfortable voting for him. Im sure this is where you'll tell me what a disaster he was and how I'm an idiot. I don't see it that way and don't care to argue about it, I have to go to work.

I'm not worried about losing my guns. I don't care about having an assault rifle or a banana clip, so I'm good.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13164 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 8:46 am to
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I believe the status of the fed and the resulting changes in this society are the biggest threats to the welfare and continued existence of this republic (if we in fact still have one). And it needs to be changed drastically and brought back into the bounds of the Constitution. I too am not a fan of anyone, no one is floating my boat, but if Hillary rolls in, continues the dim agenda and perhaps even more importantly stocks the SC severely to the left, you won't have to worry about stocking up on ammo. You won't be able to get any.

This is a serious moment. Take it as such.



Yep, you need only acknowledge the fricked up state of affairs in Europe, which we are emulating, to realize where we are headed. Our people are rejecting a father in heaven (which I understand) yet they want to trust in a big brother government which I don't get. My opinion is pretty much summed up by an alleged quote by Winston Churchill and I paraphrase: Capitalism is the unequal sharing of prosperity while Socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 8:59 am to
So you're okay with your choice to support Obama STILL?

He had the FedR print $6.5 trillion and he handed it out to all the big banks and Wall Street wire houses. He bailed out nearly 50 corporations, almost half of which still went bankrupt AFTER he gave them hundreds of millions and their execs got big bonuses.

The wealth gap grew significantly. Meaning the rich got richer while everyone else got poorer.
The middle class shrunk.
12 million more people had to get on welfare.
The median income for blacks went down 18%, the most in 3 decades.
Black on black crime went up almost 40%.
Black on white crime went up almost 70%.
White on black crime went down 11%.
The job participation rate went down 21%.
He paid $1 billion for a website that should have cost $50 million, and only 12 of 50 states even still use the damn thing.
Healthcare premiums are up 40%.
Healthcare costs went up 12%.
Health plan average deductible went up 150%.
Average out of pocket costs for healthcare for people who HAVE insurance went up 200%.
Iraq is now occupied by ISIS after leaving their people out to dry.
Under-funded liabilities (like social security and medicare) grew by 11%.
The national debt went from $5.5 trillion to $19 trillion.
Interest rates/inflation have been forcibly held at rock bottom even though he's doubled the M2 money supply, creating a HUGE currency/interest rate bubble that could pop any day.
Race relations are much worse.
Foreign policy is a disaster.
The rest of the world no longer respects us as a strong world leader.
Foreign oil is killing our domestic energy sectors because they think we're weak.
Domestic corporate inversions (moving out of the US) is at an all time high.
Education rankings are at all time lows.

But hey, thanks for STILL supporting him and feeling good about your choice. You did a bang up job coming to that decision. You must have done minutes of research that I'm sure took a lot of effort. And I'm glad it looks like you're putting in the same effort again. Bravo.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 9:04 am
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
2861 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:41 pm to
And now Hillary will win hands down.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7004 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:45 pm to
I can't watch. I wish I weren't too old to go to Canada.
Posted by PDXDawg
Member since Aug 2013
753 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 2:56 pm to
The bailout happend while bush was still in office, although I'm sure Obama or Romney would've done the exact same thing.

Much of your stats are because of the Great Recession and bailout impact...again, the economic collapse happened in the 8th year of Bush. Any president coming in after that was going to have a long road and some ugly stats.

Completely agree with the healthcare.gov debacle. Unacceptable.

Now please go write another wall of text explaining how DME contracts are driving the cost of healthcare and how informed you are because you're a TPA lol
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 3:54 pm to
You're clearly ignorant as hell.

Go research Obama's half a dozen enactments of qualitative easing and everyone who got a piece of those $6 trillion dollars.

Your dumbass is talking about the $900 billion Bush bank bailouts in 2008 and you don't even know that Obama implemented over 6x that amount.

How the hell do you think we went from $5.5 trillion to $19 trillion in debt?

How the hell did we go from having $6 trillion in M2 money supply to $12 trillion?

And how the hell do you throw $6 trillion into the M2 and add $13.5 trillion to our debt and blame all the shite national economic stats on Bush???

Just damn, man.

And I've been in this business for almost 20 years. I own a business with 35 employees that does high level economic analysis every day. You look stupid trying to mock me. You're clueless about anything going on and yet you're still trying to assert your ridiculously uninformed opinions as if they're credible.

Do some research next time you lazy twat. We're in this mess because of bums like you.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32867 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 4:14 pm to
Good chance that many of the same recovery strategies would have been used by a GOP president Trump unless bankruptcy was an option. Of course we now know Trump may have flip flopped on the topic a few times depending on whatever.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 4:24 pm
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 4:38 pm to
More made up conjecture out of thin air.

We'll never know what the last 7 years would have looked like under a true conservative president.

McCain and Romney were/are both RINO's and would have done exactly what the Establishment said, just to the benefit of GOP cronies. Even some bastardized version of Obamacare, which they both had versions of in their campaign agendas.

Trump's plans are not Establishment-based at all. Lowering taxes, repatriating overseas US dollars, reducing corporate inversions and giving incentives for companies to move here, heavy immigration reform, repealing Obamacare and cutting government spending significantly are NOT Establishment concepts.

If he actually does what he says in his plans, we're finally talking about true conservatism being implemented.

And your baseless opinions are contradictory to this. You're just talkin out your arse with zero to support any of it.
Posted by PDXDawg
Member since Aug 2013
753 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 5:04 pm to
Did not read

You lost me at DME contracts drive the cost of healthcare. A financial genius indeed.
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 5:05 pm to
You tell me.

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32867 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 5:09 pm to
To get out of the mess we were in, what other strategies besides bail outs and QE were available that a president trump would employ? In the business world, bankruptcy is an option that would interest a man like trump, but that wouldn't be an option.

It takes a lot of smarts to be naive enough to think trump believes even half the shite he says. It takes even more to think he will be able to implement anything meaningful with 2 parties who aren't buying his gold plated and insulting brand of BS.

Speaking of the great conservative trump, he had a shot to prove his conservative worth by speaking to a conservative conference and he just backed down like a coward. It just may have been too hard for him to have to explain his plans in more detail to a more educated group without having an opponent around to insult.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 5:25 pm to
I never said DME contracts drive medical costs. I only gave examples of a few things who's costs to the health industry are set by the market and don't have a government mandate specifically controlling them.

Your dumbass is trying to insist DME's can't fluctuate in cost, which is freaking retarded. DME's are manufactured products that involve normal market driven overhead and business expense. Labor, materials, energy, distribution, etc etc. All things market driven.

This country did in fact spend $3 trillion on healthcare last year. And Sanders insists he can cut that down to just $1.5 trillion by controlling what doctors and hospitals can charge. But he never accounts for the actually costs of doing business to these doctors and hospitals in this idiotic plan.

Again, you're not capable of discussing this. You're an ignorant twit trying to act like you know shite that you don't.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 5:26 pm
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