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re: NIL is changing recruiting more than I
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:25 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:25 pm to RD Dawg
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Please show me where his NIL deal is linked with him signing with JSU
Sanders has a deal with Barstool. Sanders is HC of JSU. Hunter gets 1.5m deal with Barstool. Hunter signs letter of intent with JSU. That's not an arms-length transaction.
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:32 pm to deeprig9
If they had a team autograph day at Sanford stadium in the offseason. Maybe an entry fee and $20 bucks an autograph and all the players get a cut of. How many fans show up for that?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:41 pm to Buddy2012
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If they had a team autograph day at Sanford stadium in the offseason. Maybe an entry fee and $20 bucks an autograph and all the players get a cut of. How many fans show up for that?
That's the kind of NIL that most people think is reasonable and fair.
Some random rich bastard cutting a check for 1.5m for a single player to come to X school is the death knell.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:44 pm to Buddy2012
Maybe this kid was just really impressed by a man in his mid 50s that refers to himself constantly in the third person. Prime does this. Prime dont do that. Where can Prime get a blue jacket, Nick?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:45 pm to deeprig9
Most people think it's fair for players to "share in the wealth" of CFB in some way.
Literally buying players out of high school like a slave auction isn't what ANYONE had in mind. 5 months into NIL and it's already happening.
Literally buying players out of high school like a slave auction isn't what ANYONE had in mind. 5 months into NIL and it's already happening.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:47 pm to deeprig9
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Sanders has a deal with Barstool. Sanders is HC of JSU. Hunter gets 1.5m deal with Barstool. Hunter signs letter of intent with JSU. That's not an arms-length transaction.
We all get this but if this was a clear quid pro quo than its a blatant violation and no doubt investigated.
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Paying players the old way was a pretty complex transaction with multiple layers that insulated the
HC and institution.If this deal is as clear cut and out in the open as you seem to think, it will be excessively easy to prove.Even for the NCAA
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:47 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Maybe this kid was just really impressed by a man in his mid 50s that refers to himself constantly in the third person. Prime does this. Prime dont do that. Where can Prime get a blue jacket, Nick?
He kept referring to himself in the third person. "Jimmy's under the boards. Jimmy's in the open. Jimmy maakes the shooot."
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:48 pm to deeprig9
Barstools has a sportsbook now too. And most of their content is now gambling related.
Casinos are literally buying college players in clown world. You cant make it up.
Casinos are literally buying college players in clown world. You cant make it up.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:48 pm to RD Dawg
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Even for the NCAA
I don't know.... going after a HBCU is a hell of a thing for an organization like the NCAA... the times we live in ... bad optics...
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:50 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Barstools has a sportsbook now too. And most of their content is now gambling related.
I was not aware of that. That makes it even sleazier.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 3:21 pm to deeprig9
Local radio guy in Charlotte (AA) praising Hunter for choosing JSU as a statement being a hero for “ something bigger than himself”. This is laughable. JSU doesn’t even get a wiff if not for the NIL even with Sanders.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 4:35 pm to deeprig9
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Seriously branchdawg, let's take the bullshitetery out of this discussion... you don't think a kid getting a 1.5 million dollar deal to sign with a certain school out of high school is a big deal? And that it couldn't possibly destroy the integrity of a sport you apparently love (or you wouldn't be here)?
Not one bit. Kids have been getting tons of money for decades. The difference is literally only whether or not it’s legal. It’s happening either way.
Hell, kids have been getting money in high school ball for years from boosters. Nothing’s changing other than the open publicity.
Are there going to be complications? Are there going to be some bad situations? Yup. Those have gone on forever too. It’s up to the schools and the players to sort that out, and it will largely be done by trial-and-error.
As far as integrity, if you think major CFB (especially in the SEC) has been a sport built on integrity, you’re believing a fairy tale. It never was.
I’ve never operated on the belief that top athletes were playing solely for the I’ve of the game and their school. Some do. Some are in it for that. But most of the top guys have always been out for their careers post college.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 4:56 pm to BranchDawg
Kids have been getting impermissible benefits for a while, sure, that's why there were rules, there wouldn't be rules if nobody was engaging in shadiness.....
...but nothing on this scale.
A $500 handshake and a cosigner on a $19k base model charger that you never make a payment on and somehow mysteriously never gets repo'd, that's a big difference from what is happening now.
And this is just the beginning. NIL has only existed for 5 months and look where we are right now.
As a fan of my favorite college football team, I have known that a player wants to also be on the football team, among all the options he had, he chose UGA... but when they are bought and paid for, the player gives zero fricks about what team it is, because he just went to where the highest money is, that's professional sports which I (and many many cfb fans) are not big fans of. Maybe you don't feel this way, but millions of us do. This really is the end of amateur college athletics, and you seem absurdly nonchalant about it.
...but nothing on this scale.
A $500 handshake and a cosigner on a $19k base model charger that you never make a payment on and somehow mysteriously never gets repo'd, that's a big difference from what is happening now.
And this is just the beginning. NIL has only existed for 5 months and look where we are right now.
As a fan of my favorite college football team, I have known that a player wants to also be on the football team, among all the options he had, he chose UGA... but when they are bought and paid for, the player gives zero fricks about what team it is, because he just went to where the highest money is, that's professional sports which I (and many many cfb fans) are not big fans of. Maybe you don't feel this way, but millions of us do. This really is the end of amateur college athletics, and you seem absurdly nonchalant about it.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 5:20 pm to deeprig9
I have a feeling that Kirby’s prediction of super teams will come true. And by then it will too late to stop that train
Posted on 12/15/21 at 5:24 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Kirby’s prediction of super teams will come true
I missed this quote. What did Kirby say and when did he say it?
Also, aren't we kinda already there?
There already seems to be sort of a premier league of teams, look at recruiting rankings and final rankings over the last 10 years, and especially in the playoff era, it's the same handful of teams in the hunt every year with an occasional new face every once in a while.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 6:13 pm to deeprig9
It was one of the interviews on YouTube a few weeks ago leading up the SECCG.
Unfortunately I think we are about there. This NIL crap is just that... crap
Unfortunately I think we are about there. This NIL crap is just that... crap
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 6:29 pm to Spaceman Spiff
So, just a hypothetical. Do these athletes sign contracts for the NIL money? If so, what happens when one of them decides to hit the transfer portal. Are they going to get sued for breach of contract and taken to court? Lots of potential land mines out there. Better have you a good attorney on speed dial.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 7:03 pm to deeprig9
It’s like they say. “Bad facts make bad law.” For decades we had corrupt apparatchiks in the NCAA, television companies, and the bowl cartels making billions of dollars off of the backs of unpaid workers, errr, student athletes. If all of the money generated by college football were reinvested in the universities, and nobody was getting rich off of someone else’s work, then I think the American public (and the federal judiciary, because they are also people) would have had a lot more stomach for student athletes not being able to receive any financial benefit other than their scholarship.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 7:24 pm to baconwaffle
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we had corrupt apparatchiks in the NCAA, television companies, and the bowl cartels making billions of dollars off of the backs of unpaid workers
The NCAA? When did they start making "billions" off CFB or bowl games?They've been out of the CFB TV business for years and have nothing to do with the BCS,Bowls games or the CFB playoffs. Fact is the vast majority of funds generated through bowls and TV contracts go back to the schools.
Speaking of "bad facts."
Posted on 12/15/21 at 7:36 pm to RD Dawg
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billions
Collectively, not the NCAA alone. The bulk of that money is reaped by television companies via advertisement revenue from companies seeking to reach an audience of tens-of-millions each Saturday. And who do you think sanctions the TV contracts? (Hint: it’s the NCAA and their affiliate conferences). The NCAA is a cartel that doesn’t provide any goods or any services. Their business model is literally monetizing other people’s value through a court-sanctioned monopoly. Before this court ruling, you and I couldn’t start a competing collegiate athletic consortium even if we wanted to.
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Fact is the vast majority of funds generated through bowls and TV contracts go back to the schools.
Please provide support for this assertion.
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