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re: Is Chubb back?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:59 pm to muttenstein
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:59 pm to muttenstein
Because defenses weren't keying in on him, he was a 4th string back.
Once he proved himself to be a badass, the defenses started focusing on him. It's inevitable to have a 1-2 ypc drop.
Once he proved himself to be a badass, the defenses started focusing on him. It's inevitable to have a 1-2 ypc drop.
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:01 pm to muttenstein
Kind of hard to be back when you're only getting 13 carries in a game compared to a lot more previously. His freshman year he was getting 30+ carries in most games, and had over 40 in a couple of game. We're not giving him enough carries and all I can think of is Cheney is to blame. 13 carries is ridiculous. He should get that in a half. We also seem to run less I formation, and letting him run downhill with a blocker.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:05 pm to HTDawg
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We also seem to run less I formation, and letting him run downhill with a blocker.
Not with a stacked box. You have to throw the football and complete passes for first downs and touchdowns before the defense will back off.
I swear to God it's like playing cards with my dog in here.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:21 am to deeprig9
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Not with a stacked box. You have to throw the football and complete passes for first downs and touchdowns before the defense will back off. I swear to God it's like playing cards with my dog in here.
Did I say anything about when we run you moron? I specifically mentioned formations. I don't know if you even bothered to watch the game, but we didn't do all that well throwing the ball for first downs.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:38 am to deeprig9
They keyed in on him his sophomore year before his injury plenty and he was still averaging 8.1 ypc. That was with Lambert, whom everyone here shits on and Schottenheimer. He's not the same. He's lost some of everything. He's still a great back and I think he and Michel need the ball more than they got it Saturday but he's pretty clearly lost a few steps.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:31 am to SneakyWaff1es
I blame Chaney.
#1. The offense has changed from a multiple I look to a more Spread style. Chubb is better from the I. Go back and look at his early highlight reels. You'll see many of his runs out of the I which allows a back to hit harder downhill than the Inside Zone plays where he is reading inside to out looking for a seam to hit. Most backs are coached on the Inside Zone to be running at 85% speed on the mesh. In the I, the back is coming full speed on the hand-off thus exploiting the back's speed getting downhill faster than in the Spread. Nick is not the type of back to flourish in Chaney's offense. Nick's best play out of Chaney's offense in my opinion was the Crack Toss Sweep out of the I-formation against North Carolina last year that he busted for a TD.
#2. Chubb is not getting the ball nearly as much as he used to under Richt and Co. Go back to my first point....he isn't going to flourish under Chaney's offense and I think Chaney honestly sees this, hence the reason why he isn't going get as many carries per game.
I hate Chaney by the way. I miss Bobo like the deserts miss the rain.......
#1. The offense has changed from a multiple I look to a more Spread style. Chubb is better from the I. Go back and look at his early highlight reels. You'll see many of his runs out of the I which allows a back to hit harder downhill than the Inside Zone plays where he is reading inside to out looking for a seam to hit. Most backs are coached on the Inside Zone to be running at 85% speed on the mesh. In the I, the back is coming full speed on the hand-off thus exploiting the back's speed getting downhill faster than in the Spread. Nick is not the type of back to flourish in Chaney's offense. Nick's best play out of Chaney's offense in my opinion was the Crack Toss Sweep out of the I-formation against North Carolina last year that he busted for a TD.
#2. Chubb is not getting the ball nearly as much as he used to under Richt and Co. Go back to my first point....he isn't going to flourish under Chaney's offense and I think Chaney honestly sees this, hence the reason why he isn't going get as many carries per game.
I hate Chaney by the way. I miss Bobo like the deserts miss the rain.......
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:36 am to DaveyDownerDawg
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Spread
Bobo ran from the spread plenty. Chubb could've flourished in any scheme before his injury.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:40 am to HTDawg
So if we come out in the Power I and they have stacked the box, we should just run it anyway? Makes sense....
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:53 am to DawgCountry
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So if we come out in the Power I and they have stacked the box, we should just run it anyway? Makes sense....
Nobody is saying we should ever be in the Power I as those days are gone. However alot of TG's and NC's big plays were from a Pro-I formation.
I agree with the poster above about the passing game being a threat to get the numbers in the box better. Bobo always would take at least one home run shot early in the game on 1st down to keep the defense somewhat honest and we had a very legit passing game as well.
But no, we, or at least myself, aren't saying come out in the Power I formation and three yards and a cloud of dust....... All I'm saying is that Chubb is not flourishing in this offense. Honestly I believe it's partly his injury and also the style of offense.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:09 am to DawgCountry
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So if we come out in the Power I and they have stacked the box, we should just run it anyway? Makes sense....
Nobody is saying we constantly run against a stacked box? Who here has said that? I didn't say that. All I said was more I formation with a fullback. I also never said we should stop throwing the football, but we didn't do that very well either.
I'll tell you something else, running read option plays with a QB who isn't a threat to run is stupid and shows how clueless Chaney is. We don't have a QB that can beat anyone running the football, so why the hell are we running read option plays? The wild dog is also stupid because every team knows what's coming when we run it. There's no mystery to the wild dog because we never throw out of it. Pound the damn football, mix in play action and the short passing game with the a couple of deep balls every half. You've got five horses in the stable. Let them run. Chubb had 13 carries against Notre Dame. That is idiotic. He should have twice that many.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 11:12 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:35 am to HTDawg
Here's a quote/stat from an article that just went up on DawgNation. It illustrates a point I'm trying to make.
Why are we in the shotgun over 80% of the time with the running backs we have? It's also hard to run play action in a shotgun. In fact, it's downright impossible.
Whoever started the thread about Chaney being our downfall may end up being right. We have no identity because of Chaney's stupidity.
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Georgia was in the shot-gun or the pistol for more than 80 percent of its offensive plays at Notre Dame. That’s quite remarkable for a program that’s been known for a pro-style offense, the I-formation and its star tailbacks
Why are we in the shotgun over 80% of the time with the running backs we have? It's also hard to run play action in a shotgun. In fact, it's downright impossible.
Whoever started the thread about Chaney being our downfall may end up being right. We have no identity because of Chaney's stupidity.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:57 am to HTDawg
If that's the article from Seth, it also calls out that we were most successful running the ball from the shotgun/pistol. This is *most* likely due to a lack of faith/belief in the interior of our OL right now. Additionally, in order to allow Fromm to run simpler RPOs, a shotgun snap gives him a better chance of having success. If we get to the point where we have enough confidence in the OL to hold up, you'll probably see a bit more under center/I formation snaps, but that likely is only going to come *after* we have more than just moderate success in the intermediate to deep passing game. Until then, teams have no real reason not to load the box up and read run. The upside is that Fromm is showing that he can make the throws... it just needs to get more consistent and we need the receivers to catch what comes their way.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:00 pm to fibonaccisquared
We'll see going forward, but it makes little sense with the most loaded backfield in college football. This is not what Bobo did.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:11 pm to HTDawg
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This is not what Bobo did
To be fair, Bobo wasn't starting a true freshman at QB most years, let alone 2 years in a row, but I also wouldn't put Chaney and Bobo in the same conversation. Anyone who thought we were getting a similar level of talent at OC hasn't really looked at Chaney's history.
Honestly, if we can just shoot the wild dawg in the head (or competently pass from it at least once or twice per game to make it viable... prefer option a though), complete some more intermediate to deep passes, I likely have very little "real complaint" with Chaney last week... He wasn't perfect by any means, but in rewatching it, he did have some good moments. Some "too cute" moments as well... but at least seemed better than what we have seen given the need to be somewhat conservative - aka - don't let the freshman QB lose it for you... Fromm shouldn't have to "win us" the game if our coaching staff is doing their job correctly. I also wouldn't expect the flags to go quite so heavily against the dawgs in future matchups, though never say never I suppose. In rewatching the game, I'd say there were many more opportunities for us to have left South Bend with a double digit win than there were realistic opportunities for ND to do the same... they certainly had their chances to win with the late possessions, but we did look the better team from an eye test perspective.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 1:56 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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They keyed in on him his sophomore year before his injury plenty and he was still averaging 8.1 ypc.
Vs ULM Warhawks, Southern, Vandy, and a 3-9 Gamecock team that Spurrier ended up quitting on. In two of those games, Lambert threw for 90+ percent completion.
Easy to get 8 yards per carry when your quarterback is 24 for 25.
My point is that each season is unique and you can't use ypc as the sole indicator that Chubb "ain't so good as he used to was".
Let the season play out, we can look back later and make a better determination.
He is still the best back in the SEC as far as I can tell. If anyone is better, it is Sony.
Hell, Swift might end up blowing both of them away.
Time will tell.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 2:08 pm to deeprig9
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Let the season play out
Wait what? But our Frommander in Chief needs no time for us to evaluate.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 3:35 pm to deeprig9
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My point is that each season is unique and you can't use ypc as the sole indicator that Chubb "ain't so good as he used to was".
I'm using my eyes but I don't know how to post those stats.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:39 pm to SneakyWaff1es
Chubb didn't look right to me at Notre Dame. He looked a little heavy or something. To be honest, I'd like to see Swift get some of his carries.
Posted on 9/16/17 at 8:47 pm to Buddy2012
Oh Buddy
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