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re: If we win every remaining game do we keep Richt?
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:22 pm to Dandy Lion
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:22 pm to Dandy Lion
If this was a slip I'd hate to see a fall.
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Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:24 pm to DaltonianUGA
Daltonian, what was your handle on the other side?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:05 am to Dandy Lion
Richt should be fired. We are not playing with an equal deck as the rest of the Southeastern conference. First off our drug policy almost always cost us suspensions which destroys team chemistry. Second say what you want but if we were processing players like the rest of the SEC our depth would be better. Third thing his loyalty to players and coaches will always get the best of him when it comes to making the hard decisions ala willie martinez and next should be mike bobo. I don't care if we hire the worst head coach ever after we fire him, sometimes you have to go backwards to ever move forward.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:12 am to Dandy Lion
quote:Gilly?
Daltonian, what was your handle on the other side?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:29 am to Gurleyman2688
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Richt should be fired. We are not playing with an equal deck as the rest of the Southeastern conference.
While I appreciate your sentiments, our school administration obviously has a different perspective. We have one of the most profit football programs in the nation and as long as Richt keeps winning enough games for the donations to continue, they will be more than happy to keep him.
Objectively, Richt is a good coach but a better person and creates positive PR for UGA. Unfortunately, he has tragic flaws as most of us do which prevent him from ever being a great coach. We have an undisciplined team because we have a coach who doesn't believe in strict ongoing discipline. We also for whatever reason have never been able to recruit well in the trenches especially on the OL and our coaches apparently aren't capable of coaching up the linemen we do get. We appear to have top 10 recruiting classes because we focus on getting top skill players who are never able to excel at the highest level against good teams because we don't have a comparable skill level in the trenches.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 1:18 am to davesdawgs
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Objectively, Richt is a good coach but a better person and creates positive PR for UGA.
He sometimes does. He generated seriously bad PR tonight. He's a coach and paid (an awful lot) to win games. The "he's a great guy" thing works to his advantage if he's doing well and drops the occasional game or three despite giving it the ol' college try. However, when he gets blown out and routinely loses to good programs, it makes it look like his focus is elsewhere.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:54 am to FaCubeItches
What motivates this staff? Surely anyone with an iq over 80 recognizes the problems. Are these guys just stupid? Really, is that what is going on with the staff? What other possible reason can there be? These guys are paid a ton of money to do two things: represent the university well and win. Last night they did neither.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:15 am to DaltonianUGA
We kept him when we went 6-7. He's fine unless we lose to Georgia Southern
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:55 am to tween the hedges
I think McGarity is paid to win, and this is the highest profile business unit under his responsibility.
It's on the board. I can't see him having any confidence in Richt. Any at all.
What bothers me is the renewal or contract extension. This has served to recruit well, nothing more.
We've got some expensive as hell kids in the program (eh, Finsterina, how about that?), and that is a major factor in our penny pinching board's decisions.
It's on the board. I can't see him having any confidence in Richt. Any at all.
What bothers me is the renewal or contract extension. This has served to recruit well, nothing more.
We've got some expensive as hell kids in the program (eh, Finsterina, how about that?), and that is a major factor in our penny pinching board's decisions.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 10:59 am
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:58 am to Dandy Lion
god i hope you're right dandy. i really, really, really do. i just think the patsies within this program love their choir boy too fricking much.
georgia deserves better than richt.
georgia deserves better than richt.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:16 am to Dandy Lion
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I think McGarity is paid to win, and this is the highest profile business unit under his responsibility.
It's on the board. I can't see him having any confidence in Richt. Any at all.
This level looks at the big picture which boils down to money. As long as Richt wins enough to keep the donations, etc. coming in then they don't really care. Will McGarity have confidence that CMR will beat Florida? Obviously not, but he does have confidence that Mark will have another winning season which is probably all that's actually required. I almost guarantee you there is no specific stipulation for CMR to win a NC or even the East during his contract period. In other words we are a team without specific goals and objectives to reach those goals.
Meanwhile coaches like Myer, Saban, Spurrier, etc. set goals for themselves and reach them. Richt in contrast I see pretty much as an underachiever and his teams are a direct reflection of his attitude. Don't get me wrong, I love CMR as a person and I like his composure/laid back demeanor but he simply doesn't have the drive it takes to build a championship team now that the coaching level in the SEC has risen above Mark's level of competence. As I stated about Murray, CMR is pretty much an example of the Peter Principle; he has maxed out his capability/competence and his max is not enough to win championships this day and age.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:24 am to davesdawgs
I support this post.
Hopefully with Adams moving along we will get a change in attitude at the top. I think Adams' experience with Herrick scared him. Adams knew Richt wouldn't get him into trouble and this ultimately became more important to Adams than winning a natty.
Hopefully with Adams moving along we will get a change in attitude at the top. I think Adams' experience with Herrick scared him. Adams knew Richt wouldn't get him into trouble and this ultimately became more important to Adams than winning a natty.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:28 am to runningdog
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I think Adams' experience with Herrick scared him. Adams knew Richt wouldn't get him into trouble and this ultimately became more important to Adams than winning a natty.
Reasonable insight that might well be true. CMR is a safe choice for a clean program with emphasis on doing it right with positive PR.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:30 am to davesdawgs
davesd, I hear ya. McGarity accepted the position, in order to warm a seat, at his alma mater. After spending years and years at an athletic program which is a juggernaut in 95+% of the categories it competes in?
I'm not buying it. I think there is more to his and the board's decision for him to come to Athens, and I don't think it's to hold Richt's hand and wipe his face and arse.
I'm not buying it. I think there is more to his and the board's decision for him to come to Athens, and I don't think it's to hold Richt's hand and wipe his face and arse.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:47 am to Dandy Lion
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davesd, I hear ya. McGarity accepted the position, in order to warm a seat, at his alma mater. After spending years and years at an athletic program which is a juggernaut in 95+% of the categories it competes in?
I'm not buying it. I think there is more to his and the board's decision for him to come to Athens, and I don't think it's to hold Richt's hand and wipe his face and arse.
I hope you are right but if you are then I think there would have been specific goals set when McGarity came on board. I guess I have worked in corporate environments so long that I come to expect specific criteria for success. I have a strong statistical process control background and I understand that goals are meaningless without continuous improvement by eliminating special causes of variation.
We measure success through specific data and determine process capability. To date, I don't see our current process as capable of playing at the highest level. Our teams are undisciplined and unprepared which is a direct reflection of our coaching staff. And we don't recruit well enough in the trenches especially considering the wealth of talent in our state. Both of those special causes of variation need to improve to increase process capability.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:50 am to davesdawgs
The goals probably were set last year at the close of the season. Yesterday's debacle ought to initiate a crisis session, and a subsequent editing and release of new milestones and the accompanying calendar.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:00 pm to sowega dawg
Yeah, ,y old handle was Gilly.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:10 pm to DaltonianUGA
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Objectively, Richt is a good coach but a better person and creates positive PR for UGA. Unfortunately, he has tragic flaws as most of us do which prevent him from ever being a great coach. We have an undisciplined team because we have a coach who doesn't believe in strict ongoing discipline. We also for whatever reason have never been able to recruit well in the trenches especially on the OL and our coaches apparently aren't capable of coaching up the linemen we do get. We appear to have top 10 recruiting classes because we focus on getting top skill players who are never able to excel at the highest level against good teams because we don't have a comparable skill level in the trenches.
Completely agree with this assessment.
Sadly, there are trade-offs in this business. We suspend and expell players that would never be suspended or expelled from other programs. Look how Spurrier handled his former alcoholic trouble-maker QB. Look at how UT whitewashed a brawl where heads were stomped on Cumberland. Lord knows what goes on at places like Alabama but you can be sure that winning and winning at all costs is the mantra. The fact is that as fans, we want to win and never want to lose. However the foundation and the school administration may not have such brazen goals at UGA. They want to be "above" the less than savory aspects of the game and that is where Richt is a safe choice who can win 9 or maybe 10 games in a lot of seasons.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:13 pm to Lucius Clay
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The fact is that as fans, we want to win and never want to lose. However the foundation and the school administration may not have such brazen goals at UGA. They want to be "above" the less than savory aspects of the game and that is where Richt is a safe choice who can win 9 or maybe 10 games in a lot of seasons.
Yep, that pretty much describes our condition.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 1:38 pm to Dandy Lion
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I can't see him having any confidence in Richt
How can he? When Spurrier takes an average program like USCe with less resources and in 7 years is able to surpass a program like Georgia there's no way he can have confidence in a guy that's stagnated (or possibly regressed) the program for 12 years.
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