re: APU - where do you stand?

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Students and student-athletes both have conditions they have to meet to maintain their statuses with the university. That doesn't mean that you are an employee. A football player can quit the team at any time, but they do so at the risk of losing their scholarship and other benefits, and having to be a full-time student and pay their own way.

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A football player in college is not allowed to change schools at his discretion and to continue to play football under an athletic scholarship without having to pay his way or sit out one to two years. Is that because they have the best interest of the student athlete in mind?

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Your AD PM statement does not bring up the fact that the football team is responsible for creating most of those monies

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So what? I think we all realize that point. The point IS
while the AD is bringing a alot of revenue they're
also SPENDING alot of that revenue.UGA AD is supposed
to be this big "cash cow" and after all is said and done
it's making between 2 and 3 million PROFIT.In terms
of college dollars not a whole lot.

Yea,it sucks that all these obscure womens' and non revenue sports are soaking all that revenue but what's
your solution?You wanna do away with title IX?Good
luck with being the 1st Senator that wants to repeal it.
You'll get hammered by the MSM and sports media and your bill won't see the light of day.

So what are your proposed benefits for college athletes?
We want to pay them, right? How much?

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APU - where do you stand? quote: Your AD PM statement does not bring up the fact that the football team is responsible for creating most of those monies So what? I think we all realize that point. The point IS while the AD is bringing a alot of revenue they're also SPENDING alot of that revenue.UGA AD is supposed to be this big "cash cow" and after all is said and done it's making between 2 and 3 million PROFIT.In terms of college dollars not a whole lot. Yea,it sucks that all these obscure womens' and non revenue sports are soaking all that revenue but what's your solution?You wanna do away with title IX?Good luck with being the 1st Senator that wants to repeal it. You'll get hammered by the MSM and sports media and your bill won't see the light of day. So what are your proposed benefits for college athletes? We want to pay them, right? How much?

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Football makes 80% of the revenue and almost all of the profit. That fact just needs to stand on its own.

Here is what I think should happen.

A) colleges will not be allowed to recruit or make special exceptions below the standard academic curve used for em rolling college students. College football players will have to be enrolled for one full credit year and play JV football before they are eligible to play varsity....

Of course, that is how it was 50 years ago sans some moderate recruiting. Obviously , that will never happen.


So, instead...

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1) colleges will be required to pay all health care costs for injuries to the student athlete while under scholarship. If an injury is chronic or has long term affects, the University will provide monies for continued care.
2) colleges will be required to offer 5 year scholarships to football players. Once signed, a football player will have 5 year to compleat his degree. Even if he is removed from the team by his or the staffs decision.
3) salary cap for coaches
4) coaches whose university break NCAA violations under their watch will be fined 50% of their comp package and will be suspended from the game for 2 years.
5) scholarships, once signed, will count against a school for 5 years. if a player quits, gets injured, or does not qualify, this will still count against the schools allotted scholarships.
6) football players will each get 10 tickets to home and away games which they can sell on the free market.
7) while under scholarship, players will be able to receive royalties for the use of their image and jersey number by the a university, apparel muffs,,and TV.
8) College football players can be paid for appearances in media or social events while under scholarship.
9) college football players can receive advances from agents while under scholarship. The advances will be non binding.

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APU - where do you stand? quote: 100% opposed to any sort of (additional, in some cases) stipend. Half these football players wouldn't even be in school if it weren't for athletics. And they're going to cry about free college? I absolutely cannot stand that. And how can you even begin to quantify what a reasonable stipend would be? And if you did quantify it, would you pay the third stringer the same as the starting QB? Does the middle reliever in women's softball get something too? And whatever number you come up with, I can promise you a thousand times over that it won't be enough. The elite atheletes will eventually want more. And at that point the integrity of college athletics will be completely compromised. We're already on our way as it is - paying players under the table, players who get booted off one team only to be welcomed with open arms onto another team. It's absolutely disgusting. And some of us don't want to watch the NFL and Sunday AND Saturday. ^This 100%^

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That is the circular part of the argument. Yes, many of these players would NOT be in college if it were not for football. Who decided to let them in and why did they do so?

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Fine, start paying players. Then allow the conferences to impose fines for late hits and such. Also, discipline cases who get shitcanned? They have to repay whatever they earned. Athletes who aren't performing? Re-negotiation time. Team's not winning? Re-negotiation time. You don't produce, you don't get paid, welcome to the real world.

Plus, player money has to be paid from program revenue - no fair putting taxpayers on the line.

If these guys want it to be a straight up business, they'll probably find out very quickly that they were better off the other way, especially when the number of programs drastically contracts, and far fewer of them get to play.

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All good points.....I haven't thought about contraction but that is a very realistic possibility....I heard 2 guys on NPR last week who have a book out about this subject (wonder how much involved they were in this APU thing?) and according to them there aren't but 30 or so CFB programs in the country that are profitable, and even fewer basket ball programs. The rest are breaking even or losing money. There would no doubt be a lot fewer schools playing football if they were losing even more money. I suppose it would be possible to do away with scholarships at those schools and still play with true student athletes but that brings up other issues like fewer opportunities for kids with some talent but no money and of course you would have to have a sanctioning body that was effective or the cheating would be unreal. Good points.....I think the reduction in spots alone would be enough to make all but the most exceptional players forget about the APU thing....

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Against the $98.9 million in revenues, the association had $86 million in operating expenses and about $9.6 million in non-operating expenses, mainly debt payments.

That left the association with a $2.2 million surplus to add to the association’s accumulated reserves.

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A little over 2% profit....not great but there are probably a lot of small businesses across the country not doing much better the last few years.....

German Dawg...


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To say nothing of the students that work on assorted professors' projects - projects which can bring in shitloads of money (mostly in the sciences, but some books can earn a good bit, too).

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This is a good point....but one that Football players aren't allowed to partake in....if you had a Herschell Walker in Math at UGA he or she would be recognized by industry while they were in grade school probably but even if it were as late as college there would be nothing that says they couldn't earn a lot of money plying their trade in the private sector while on scholarship for their talent....Football players are not allowed to do this....for obvious physical reasons.....so why not allow the exceptional player to work outside of football in endorsements and the like?

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quote: And anyone that says they wouldn't because of the talent level or quality of play is lying because if that was the case none of us would watch anything but the NFL.

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People would still watch and attend, but if the team was not good, there would be less tickets, donations, and apparel, less TV exposure, less Bowl games... Less money...

They let substandard student in to play football because they know it will benefit the bottom line...