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1 to 6 vs Tyler Simmons
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:37 pm
Sitting here in late April and still stewing.
Which was worse?
Tyler Simmons offsides or 1 to 6 with one loss in a conference championship?
23 Georgia was dominant despite being very banged up.
Kirby should have 4 titles and a 3 peat.
Willing to die on this hill.
Debate it.
Which was worse?
Tyler Simmons offsides or 1 to 6 with one loss in a conference championship?
23 Georgia was dominant despite being very banged up.
Kirby should have 4 titles and a 3 peat.
Willing to die on this hill.
Debate it.
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:54 pm to Griffindawg
Might not be a popular opinion but 2017 was a better team overall.
The Tyler Simmons call wasn’t the only one. There were several that weren’t called on Alabama that night. Even with all of that, it came down to one coverage breakdown that was the difference.
The Tyler Simmons call wasn’t the only one. There were several that weren’t called on Alabama that night. Even with all of that, it came down to one coverage breakdown that was the difference.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:58 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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The Tyler Simmons call wasn’t the only one
A very egregious face mask against Swift was not called soon after the offside debacle.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 7:23 pm to Griffindawg
Also a no-call unnecessary roughness from Mack Wilson on Fromm, and a no-call false start on Najee Harris on Bama’s 4th and goal TD to tie the game.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 9:42 pm to dawgdayafternoon
Yeah but how are we number one for what? 10 weeks straight? and then drop 5 spots for a 3 point loss to the goat?
23 dawgs > Washington and Texas and most likely would have embarrassed Michigan…. Again.
23 dawgs > Washington and Texas and most likely would have embarrassed Michigan…. Again.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:18 pm to Griffindawg
2017 hurt more because of "1980".
On the other hand, three in a row would have been a huge deal.
On the other hand, three in a row would have been a huge deal.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:53 am to Griffindawg
2017 hurt way more. A 3 peat would have been amazing but I’ll always remember the first two.
2017 hurt for years afterwards.
2017 hurt for years afterwards.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:04 am to Griffindawg
The Najee Harris Canadian Football League head start/Tua throws a touchdown pass to a receiver he wasn't he even looking at on 4th down in last few minutes when we're up 7 was the the bullshittiest play of all imo.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:27 am to Griffindawg
Outside of Dawg fans, nobody wanted to see a Georgia 3peat. The media started setting it up immediately after last year's championship game. "Look at Georgia's weak schedule in 2023! It's embarassing, it's absurd, it's not fair." That narrative was repeated hundreds of times across sports media venues, as if they had discovered something never seen before. The implication, and sometimes direct statement, was that one loss should disqualify Georgia from the playoffs.
None of those proclamations was followed up with a comparative analysis of all the other schedules. Nobody ever pondered how an "easy" SEC schedule compared to a normal Big 12, Pac 12, Acc or Big 10 schedule. I guess it went without saying that teams like Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Kansas St. and Arizona were far better than lowly Missouri, Tennessee and Ole Miss. And of course, Kentucky wouldn't even be competitive against ranked teams like Louisville or Clemson.
During the 2023 UT game in Knoxville, ESPN announcers stated that UGA had't faced a single ranked opponent on the road during their 27 game undefeated streak. That was a very misleading statistic and an attempt to downplay Georgia's run of dominance. In 2022 road games, Georgia demolished both South Carolina (final ranking #23) and Miss. St (final ranking #20). Final rankings are obviously a better metric to retrospectively judge a schedule than gametime rankings. And they didn't mention that during that same span, Georgia had beaten teams with a final ranking of 2, 3, 15, 16, 4, and 2, at neutral sites.
None of those proclamations was followed up with a comparative analysis of all the other schedules. Nobody ever pondered how an "easy" SEC schedule compared to a normal Big 12, Pac 12, Acc or Big 10 schedule. I guess it went without saying that teams like Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Kansas St. and Arizona were far better than lowly Missouri, Tennessee and Ole Miss. And of course, Kentucky wouldn't even be competitive against ranked teams like Louisville or Clemson.
During the 2023 UT game in Knoxville, ESPN announcers stated that UGA had't faced a single ranked opponent on the road during their 27 game undefeated streak. That was a very misleading statistic and an attempt to downplay Georgia's run of dominance. In 2022 road games, Georgia demolished both South Carolina (final ranking #23) and Miss. St (final ranking #20). Final rankings are obviously a better metric to retrospectively judge a schedule than gametime rankings. And they didn't mention that during that same span, Georgia had beaten teams with a final ranking of 2, 3, 15, 16, 4, and 2, at neutral sites.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:35 am to wdhalgren
To be fair, road games are infinitely more challenging than neutral sites.
Especially night road games.
But a 27 game win streak with a shite ton of neutral sites and victories over borderline top 25 teams on the road doesn't leave a lot of opportunities remaining for ranked opponents.
The media is trying to invent a new stat.... in these 6 road games left unaddressed above, none were ranked.
No shite.
Especially night road games.
But a 27 game win streak with a shite ton of neutral sites and victories over borderline top 25 teams on the road doesn't leave a lot of opportunities remaining for ranked opponents.
The media is trying to invent a new stat.... in these 6 road games left unaddressed above, none were ranked.
No shite.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:49 am to meansonny
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To be fair, road games are infinitely more challenging than neutral sites.
I agree with that (wouldn't say infinitely more challenging, but definitely more challenging), but if ESPN was trying to be fair they would have used final rankings. They were trying to leave the impression for the average viewer that Georgia wasn't thoroughly tested. And if you're going to analyze records/schedule by location, then neutral sites should be part of it to give a full picture.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:24 pm to Griffindawg
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Yeah but how are we number one for what? 10 weeks straight? and then drop 5 spots for a 3 point loss to the goat?
Bad timing to lose a game they absolutely couldn't afford to lose. Who was getting left out? 13-0 Michigan, 13-0 Washington, the 12-1 Alabama team they just lost to, or the 12-1 conference champion Texas who had a win at Alabama?
It was a perfect storm.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:29 am to VADawg
My reply is still Washington. They really didn’t belong. 4 best not 4 most deserving.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:22 pm to VADawg
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Bad timing to lose a game they absolutely couldn't afford to lose. Who was getting left out? 13-0 Michigan, 13-0 Washington, the 12-1 Alabama team they just lost to, or the 12-1 conference champion Texas who had a win at Alabama?
It was a perfect storm.
I agree 100 percent with the perfect shite storm part. Based on 10 years of CFP Committee precedent, we didn't deserve to make the Final Four and I knew we wouldn't make it. Had our chance and blew it.
I still contend that Florida State is the one that got screwed, based on CFP Committee precedent.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:45 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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I agree 100 percent with the perfect shite storm part. Based on 10 years of CFP Committee precedent, we didn't deserve to make the Final Four and I knew we wouldn't make it. Had our chance and blew it.
I guess it depends on the criteria. If it's best 4 teams, I think Georgia had a case that they were a better team than Texas, them beating Alabama in game 2 notwithstanding. If a P5 conference championship is the deciding factor when teams have an equal record, then I can't argue.
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I still contend that Florida State is the one that got screwed, based on CFP Committee precedent.
They got that right, IMO. FSU's offensive output plunged against Florida and Louisville after Travis was hurt. They clearly weren't the same team. The committee shouldn't assume that one of their inexperienced backups would make a giant leap forward for the playoffs.
I can only remember one similar situation, Ohio St. in 2014, but their offense looked really good with Cardale Jones in a 59-0 blowout of Wisconsin in the Big 10 championship game. Urban Meyer understood they had something to prove in that one game, and he did just that.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:44 pm to wdhalgren
^^^ CFP Committee precedent
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:27 pm to wdhalgren
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If it's best 4 teams, I think Georgia had a case that they were a better team than Texas, them beating Alabama in game 2 notwithstanding.
On field results have to matter. Otherwise, there's no point in playing the games. Texas earned it and Georgia didn't.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:36 am to VADawg
People get caught up in the "transitive property" of football. Texas > Alabama and Alabama > Georgia, therefore Texas > Georgia. That's not an on the field result, it's the faulty application of a mathematical concept. Football teams don't have a constant or easily defined value.
On the field results obviously matter, but there's no simple way to compare results because teams play different schedules under different circumstances and every team plays at a different level in every game. Georgia and Texas had identical records through 13 games. There was no clear-cut answer to which was better. I lean toward Georgia, but the committee disagreed and the question will never be answered.
On the field results obviously matter, but there's no simple way to compare results because teams play different schedules under different circumstances and every team plays at a different level in every game. Georgia and Texas had identical records through 13 games. There was no clear-cut answer to which was better. I lean toward Georgia, but the committee disagreed and the question will never be answered.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:39 am to Griffindawg
I don’t really have a problem with us dropping from 1 to 6 based on everything around us.
Do I think we were one of the best 4 teams? Yes. Do I think we deserved to be top 4? No. If we wanted to do that, we should have beaten Bama.
And honestly, the 4th down incompletion in that game that wasn’t overturned might have been worse than the Tyler Simmons offsides. They had replay and still didn’t get the call right. On top of that, the Tyler Simmons block came when they missed a Bama false start so instead of a blocked punt it really should have been a 5 yard penalty on Bama.
Do I think we were one of the best 4 teams? Yes. Do I think we deserved to be top 4? No. If we wanted to do that, we should have beaten Bama.
And honestly, the 4th down incompletion in that game that wasn’t overturned might have been worse than the Tyler Simmons offsides. They had replay and still didn’t get the call right. On top of that, the Tyler Simmons block came when they missed a Bama false start so instead of a blocked punt it really should have been a 5 yard penalty on Bama.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:57 am to wdhalgren
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Georgia and Texas had identical records through 13 games. There was no clear-cut answer to which was better.
There was against a single common opponent....
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