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What to expect from Jimbo (from an FSU fan)

Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:29 pm
My former college roommate is an FSU alum who got his PhD from A&M. I figured, with his permission, I'd pass along this write-up he sent my college friends and me. It's a long read, but I think he has some good insights.

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First off, I love Jimbo, and I think the majority of you will come to love him as well. I think right from the first presser, you'll notice a drastic change in tone from what Sumlin was bringing to the table. Jimbo doesn't simply preach on football, offense, defense, etc. He'll get deep, often preaching some philosophical shite that I still apply to my every day life today (...that's a serious thing - some of his sayings, I still keep with me). While I think he copied this one, it's not uncommon to hear Jimbo spew quotes like, "We'll strive for perfection, knowing full well we'll never get there...but in the mean time, we'll reach excellence". He preaches life lessons, applies them to football, and will often refer to his players as his own kids. While some think he’s a watered down Saban, I’ve never bought into that. He’s his own guy, with his own philosophies.

I'll never forget the day Sumlin was new and everyone loved him. Around that time, there was a video of Sumlin surprising his players, telling them practice was cancelled for the day. The players flipped out, super happy, and ran off the field in pure bliss. Some of you guys shared the video, saying "look how much fun they are having with Sumlin!"...I remember saying to myself (without saying this to you guys), "What a clown show." Jimbo will not only never cancel a practice, but his players will find themselves in a heap of shite if he finds out they consider not having practice a good thing. I tell this story because it's representative of the hard nose type of coach Jimbo is. He's not necessarily an outright hard arse to the media by any means, but damn does he take his football seriously (see the countless times he will grab a QB by the face-mask and SCREAM at him). If you watched Hard Knocks this year, there's a clip of Bobo Wilson, dissing his own NFL team's practice, saying "at Florida State, we compete". It's a whole scene, but he's essentially saying his practices at FSU were more intense than an NFL team's practices. This too is representative of the type of hard nosed football you’ll see from Jimbo. It’s not to say that other teams and/or coaches aren’t on his level, but it’s a good representation of what the Ags can expect.

With all of this being said, there are a ton of pros and a few cons that come with having Jimbo, and I'll start with the most obvious pro.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:29 pm to
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OFFENSE

Jimbo's offense can be ELITE. Not just good, but elite, with a big IF on having the right pieces to properly run it. It's crazy to think that a pro-style offense is the minority in college football. I don't know if ya'll have realized it (see my usage of “ya'll”!??), but numbers likely say the majority (maybe 65-75%) of college programs run a wide open spread attack now, most with a dual threat QB. NOT the case with Jimbo. He runs a pro-style offense that at times is honestly the most beautiful thing to watch in college football (I know that's my bias, but as the years go on, I think it will soon be yours). When Jimbo gets into a flow, and his offense has momentum, there are very few teams in CFB that can stop it. This is because it is not only a minority (i.e., defensive coordinators spend the majority of their weeks preparing for other teams that run the spread), but also because it is pretty complex, and therefore hard on both the opposing players and D coordinators.

I say his offense can be elite with a big IF, because that IF is sometimes all that matters. IF his offense has the right pieces, it will be excellent. By that, I mean IF he has a QB who can understand it and run it properly, you can expect big things. Jimbo will call all the plays, and is a former QB himself (and a pretty successful one if you look it up), so he expects a lot from his QBs. They are the centerpiece of his offense. While Jameis was and is amazing (yes, get over it, he is amazing; his 8,000+ passing yards in his first two seasons is the most of any QB in NFL History), me and my buddy used to say that Jameis was simply the best medium to make Jimbo's offense run properly. Not sure if you know this, but the 2013 FSU team, get this...scored the most points...in COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY. I'll repeat that. In the history of College football, no team scored more points than did the 2013 Seminoles. And here's the thing - they didn't run hurry up, and they didn't run Jameis often. It was simply the fact that Jimbo's offense was that good. If you get someone who can run Jimbo's offense correctly (and don't forget that Grant Gunnell, a coveted 5-star QB recruit who Jimbo has loved for years while at FSU, is signed with the Aggies), you will see a legit, big time offense.

Of course, nothing is perfect, so with Jimbo's elite offense, comes some cons. For starters, there will be a learning curve by all players. The offense isn't simply, 'know the plays and execute.' Jimbo prefers linemen to zone block with different schemes depending on the play, he prefers wide receivers to play the defenders rather than just run specific routes based on the play call, and he expects a hell of a lot from his QB (call out the mike, call out blitzes, check down to different plays, etc.). Any single play can feature any number of players making a number of different decisions. While this seems great, there's a major problem - if some of the players don't understand it, Jimbo won't trust them in the offense, and therefore won't play them, nor have them featured in the offense. There have been countless times when Seminole fans have screamed, "I don't care if he's not running the right route, or not understanding the offense! Just run a play that guarantees the 5-star WR get the ball, and let him do 5-star work on lesser talent!!" Nope. Seminole fans have watched a number of talented WRs go to waste. The Seminoles have an extraordinarily low number of WRs drafted (something like 2 in the last 7 years), and that has been used against them in recruiting. Some will argue that Jimbo is overly loyal to our current WR coach, and has kept him on staff even though he couldn't properly teach the offense to the WRs. But there's still the argument that Jimnbo himself could simply call plays that are specifically designed to get the best person on the field the ball. Jimbo will NOT do that - he will stubbornly run his offense, and run it with those who can best understand it.

And with that comes another con. Jimbo is stubborn and traditional, sometimes to annoyance. He will not run the QB that much (if at all) even though it will often serve as a major advantage. And perhaps most annoying is his unwillingness to go for it on 4th down, even though the numbers say it is beneficial. Here's a quote from TomahawkNation - "FSU has only attempted 50 fourth downs from 2010-present. That is dead last in the nation, and it’s not close. The next-closest team is LSU, with 74. That’s an incredible 48% increase from last to second-to-last. All other FBS teams have 90+ attempts in that span." Those stats are outright ridic.

The argument against this is that there is still the success rate stat, and overall without looking it up, I think Jimbo’s offenses have pretty good success rate numbers. More importantly, you can't deny what matters most is that Jimbo wins games. How he does it however, may be a bit frustrating. Jimbo plays the game in the moment. He will not look bigger picture, nor look to run any given play for the sake of it; rather, he is likely to hone in on the game's particular situation. This sometimes leads to pure frustration. If the team is playing poorly against Wake Forest, for example and finds itself up by 7 later in the game, Jimbo will play the situation, and protect the 7 point lead to win the game, rather than just running his regular offense (e.g., 3 runs to run the clock, and a punt to trust his defense). This is cool in that he wins games, but I GUARANTEE you there will be times when the Aggies will beat a team like Vanderbilt by 5, and people will be mad, saying "The game shouldn’t have been a nail bitter! We have so much more talent, we should have blown them out!!" That's not how Jimbo operates - he operates to play the situation and win the game. You may remember this back in the 2014 season, when the Noles went on a spree of barley eeking out wins, to the point where the playoff committee invented the “game control” stat which ended up hurting the Noles (*eye roll emoji). In the end, the outcome was an undefeated regular season, and no one would trade that for anything. But the argument can be made that if not for a few lucky breaks, the 14’ season could have featured 3-4 losses. [***Side note if you're an optimist: it is interesting to look at this from the converse as well. From around 2012 - 2016, Fisher has had 2 huge losses (Oregon and Louisville), but other than those, you can go back and see that the majority (if not all) of his losses come by a touchdown or less, meaning that if not for a few unlucky breaks we’d be looking at a massively impressive record from Fisher.]

To end this offensive stuff on a positive note, I'll throw out one more pro. Jimbo HAMMERS home his complex offense to QBs. As such, they are WELL prepared for NFL concepts. Aside from Jameis (#1 overall draft pick), don't forget that EJ Manuel and Christian Ponder were drafted in the first round, and that Jamarcus Russell (Jimbo's QB at LSU) was also number one overall. Why? Because Jimbo's offense is more complex than some NFL offenses (that's not hyperbole, that's true. It's been noted that Jameis has come out and said the Buccaneers playbook was more simplistic than FSU's). When Jimbo's QBs go on that Gruden show, or draw things out on the whiteboard for NFL teams, it's pretty straightforward for them; they have been doing it for Jimbo for at least 3 years. This then leads to attractive recruiting - there's some kind of stat out there that shows how many millions of dollars Jimbo's QBs have made from the NFL, and it dwarfs any other coach/team.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:29 pm to
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DEFENSE

Don't think Jimbo doesn't care about defense. He loves him some defense. He will look to get a D coordinator that coaches DBs, like Saban, and therefore will have someone who coaches the defense from "the back, up". You'll likely see a number of fronts, depending on who the Ags play. He likes a defense that has 3 D lineman with an additional hybrid D-end/Linebacker, with 2 traditional linebackers, and 5 DBs, for example when playing against the spread. He trains his corners to be safeties and safeties to be corners, as he likes to cross train guys as much as possible. But because he is an offensive guy, the defense will rely on whoever he picks as D coordinator. Look for him to hire either the linebacker coach at UGA, the current D coordinator at South Carolina (who I’m now hearing is a favorite) or the DB coach at Bama. I know this bc if Fisher was going to stay at FSU, he was supposedly going to revamp the entire staff, and this was the short list he had in mind for D Coordinator.

ODDS AND ENDS

Random tid bits. Aside from media day (if the Aggies have that?), you will only hear from Jimbo. By this, I mean he doesn't allow his coordinators and assistant coaches to speak to the media, as he doesn't want any mixed messages (I believe this is a Saban thing). Throughout the year, only Jimbo and various players will be available to the media. He also doesn't allow true freshmen to speak to the media (also a Saban thing, I believe).

He is big on the psychological aspect of the game, as he employs a number of sport psychologists to help student athletes.

He has been asking for Saban-like support in terms of random analysts who are on staff. Saban has a ton (and there's a good article about it here). FSU could not afford it, but TAMU will be able to - and that is HUGE. Don't discount how big this will be. I'll put money on the fact that part of his negotiation with TAMU was that he'll have Saban-like numbers of random analysts on staff.

Jimbo is a SAVANT when it comes to football; like rain man shite. I will also put money on Jimbo going into some random Aggie history bit during his opening presser. He doesn't study or anything, he just knows it; he'll give you specific year and score, and you'll be impressed - I can almost guarantee this will happen in his opening presser.

He’s hella good at 'crootin, and an underrated recruiter at that, bc his staff does the majority of the recruiting.

Word on the street is that he will likely get a completely new staff with the exception of one or two guys, look for either Dameyune Craig (been with Jimbo forever, will serve as QB coach, ace recruiter) or Tim Brewster (ace recruiter who has ties to Texas)

His personal life includes two sons, one that’s a pretty good young QB in High School (prob too short to be recruited anywhere big) one with a rare disease that is being overcome due to Jimbo’s stature and resources, God bless (also something likely in the negotiations, as Tallahassee has a dedicated foundation to it), an ex wife (google it), and a bunch of new hair (also google it).

OVERALL

Overall, I think this is fantastic hire. You'll have people tell you they don't like it, and they may be right, on the basis of how nuts the contract money is. But if he brings just one championship (which I certainly think he is capable of doing), everyone will obviously think it's worth it. In my estimation, Ags will be a championship contender, with Gunnell by 2020.

Go Noles and Gig em!
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 2:42 pm
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:29 pm to
Sorry it's so long, but it's nice to hear an FSU fan's perspective, especially one who isn't oozing with bitterness.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:46 pm to
That was an EXCELLENT read

Thanks for that. Most informative post today
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:53 pm to
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Jimbo will not only never cancel a practice, but his players will find themselves in a heap of shite if he finds out they consider not having practice a good thing. I tell this story because it's representative of the hard nose type of coach Jimbo is. He's not necessarily an outright hard arse to the media by any means, but damn does he take his football seriously (see the countless times he will grab a QB by the face-mask and SCREAM at him). If you watched Hard Knocks this year, there's a clip of Bobo Wilson, dissing his own NFL team's practice, saying "at Florida State, we compete". It's a whole scene, but he's essentially saying his practices at FSU were more intense than an NFL team's practices. This too is representative of the type of hard nosed football you’ll see from Jimbo.



"Need another jar!"....he enthusiastically yells to his mates.


ETA: I love that your friend truly doesn't use the word "y'all," proven by the way he spelled it (ya'll)...but the effort was appreciated nonetheless.

This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:12 pm to
Jars: empty [full]

Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:18 pm to
Sooo.... from a pot banger (NAggy? perspective we are getting a guy who refuses to tailor his system to what he has, can't adjust if things aren't working, runs a glacial pace offense, somehow can't get WRs into the NFL when he has been recruiting in Florida, is conservative with his game management to a fault, will move us to a 3-4 that we are in no way prepared to run, stocks his coaching staff with buddies he refuses to fire, and will give us even less information than Sumlin typically did while peppering his pressers with life lessons from Jack Handy!

Posted by drivebyag
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:26 pm to
Damn...thanks for that. I'm going to read it again and again!
Posted by SafetySam
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:28 pm to
This was a great read.
Posted by Uncle Gunnysack
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:28 pm to
yea some of the offensive stuff is scary to read but have no doubt he'll get us back to playing physical football at least
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:30 pm to
Also, in somewhat related news, can we give Scott Woodward a second job and name him as the head of USSF pushing out sunil? I'd feel much more comfortable moving forward with him in charge of finding our next coach!
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

Sooo.... from a pot banger (NAggy? perspective we are getting a guy who refuses to tailor his system to what he has, can't adjust if things aren't working, runs a glacial pace offense, somehow can't get WRs into the NFL when he has been recruiting in Florida, is conservative with his game management to a fault, will move us to a 3-4 that we are in no way prepared to run, stocks his coaching staff with buddies he refuses to fire, and will give us even less information than Sumlin typically did while peppering his pressers with life lessons from Jack Handy!


i'm not gonna lie, this is a VERY impressive glass half-empty take!
Posted by drivebyag
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:39 pm to
You have a serious case of BAS! Can't we enjoy it for a few days?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

i'm not gonna lie, this is a VERY impressive glass half-empty take!


If I wasn't lazy I would have categorized all of those negatives into tendencies that everyone hated from past coaches

RC - slow, conservative offense

Fran - runs system we don't have players for

Sherman - refuses to give up playcalling, won't deviate from broken gameplan

Sumlin - keeps fans in the dark, keeps assistants that should be canned



This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:43 pm to
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You have a serious case of BAS! Can't we enjoy it for a few days?


Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 4:10 pm to


I feel you though, i'm still not sold on fisher. Though this is mainly due to the fact that i don't know much about him, but it's hard to deny his resume. There are legitimate concerns regarding the contract, especially when you match it with past criticisms of former coaches, and the complacency that could set in with such a massive contract and guarantee.

But what I love is that the AD/Boosters have decided to play in the big leagues. He identified his coach, got the necessary support and then locked it down. I'm hoping this hire has signaled a sea change taking place within the Administration and fanbase. That just being ok isn't good enough anymore. That it's ok to expect more. That it's ok to respond to the critics who say "why texas a&m" with "Why not texas a&m." I'm sure as fans we will have issues moving forward, that's just what we do, but i'm going to enjoy the hell out of this hire in the meantime! In fact, PASS ME ANOTHER JAR!



Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 4:18 pm to
I will at least welcome not having to read
anymore "A&M Coach on the hot seat" tweets/columns. Because with that contract, we are joined at the hip for many moons. Whatever criticisms we may level at the program, instability at the top will not be one of them. There is something to be gained from that, which is nice.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted by FortWorthAg15
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 4:21 pm to
From a 2013 coaches clinic:

Defense

Offense

Confirms a lot of the above.
Posted by cokebottleag
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 4:58 pm to
Not a 3-4, a 3-3-5/nickel.
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