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The Petrino Factor
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:19 am
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:19 am
Caught this watching SEC media days figured I'd share
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:48 am to Captain Crown
I am not sure I put much stock in what happened in 1998 or in lower levels of ball.
But the offense needed severe help and Petrino should help. Now it is just a matter of how much.
But the offense needed severe help and Petrino should help. Now it is just a matter of how much.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:00 pm to Farmer1906
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not sure I put much stock in what happened in 1998 or in lower levels of bal
Kind of where I'm at. Yes Petrino did well at Arkansas and decent at Louiville, but that was quite a while ago, so it remains to be seen if he's still got it. Our offense was so bad the only way to go is up hopefully, but it will be interesting to see how good the addition of him will really be.
Unfortunately I think Petrino is either a homerun or a strikeout, with very little room in between. Either he kills it here and with our high powered offense win 10+ games and it keeps Jimbo around (and likely looking for a new OC within just a year or two as Petrino jumps for his next gig), or Petrino isnt as cutting edge of an offensive mind anymore and we crash and burn on a 7 win season or less.... firing Jimbo and cleaning house afterwards. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out this fall.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:49 pm to Texas Gentleman
I have to assume that he at the very least will be able to get players lined up faster and have some pre-snap movement. That alone should increase our offensive output.
IMO there wasn't anything wrong w/Jimbo's offense at the base level. The biggest issues were all from his playcalling. It started w/how insanely slow it took to get his calls in, which then made it take too long to get everyone lined up, which in turn meant there was almost never any time at all for pre-snap movement or for the QB to diagnose the defense.
I understand that Jimbo likes ball control offense but that can't be effective when you are always having to haul arse to get the play off. It opens you up to too many mistakes from pre-snap penalties to misidentifying your assignment leading to a busted play or penalty once the play starts.
It did not help matters that he seems to have a really hard time riding the hot hand when specific players get rolling. Not sure if this is just b/c he's too rigid w/his personnel groupings, if lost his ability to feel the flow of a game, or if his playcalling became predictable enough w/RPOs that it became easy to force us into what the defense preferred w/moderate defensive eye candy (which was likely made even easier to do b/c again, our offense was taking FOREVER and a day to get lined up).
IMO there wasn't anything wrong w/Jimbo's offense at the base level. The biggest issues were all from his playcalling. It started w/how insanely slow it took to get his calls in, which then made it take too long to get everyone lined up, which in turn meant there was almost never any time at all for pre-snap movement or for the QB to diagnose the defense.
I understand that Jimbo likes ball control offense but that can't be effective when you are always having to haul arse to get the play off. It opens you up to too many mistakes from pre-snap penalties to misidentifying your assignment leading to a busted play or penalty once the play starts.
It did not help matters that he seems to have a really hard time riding the hot hand when specific players get rolling. Not sure if this is just b/c he's too rigid w/his personnel groupings, if lost his ability to feel the flow of a game, or if his playcalling became predictable enough w/RPOs that it became easy to force us into what the defense preferred w/moderate defensive eye candy (which was likely made even easier to do b/c again, our offense was taking FOREVER and a day to get lined up).
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:58 pm to Dr RC
I think you bring up all fair points.
With a good amount of talent, we don't have to recreate the wheel to have a plus offense. We have talent at WR, RB, and most importantly QB. The OL should be better too.
Petrino doesn't have to be a genius here. He just has to be efficient in getting calls in and slightly more creative.
With a good amount of talent, we don't have to recreate the wheel to have a plus offense. We have talent at WR, RB, and most importantly QB. The OL should be better too.
Petrino doesn't have to be a genius here. He just has to be efficient in getting calls in and slightly more creative.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:15 pm to Farmer1906
One of the thing Jimbo has really struggled with as a play caller is having those easy layup/pet plays that can build momentum at the beginning of a drive (especially early in the half or game) or be a go to for a 3rd and 4 type conversion.
This was something I remember being a defining characteristic of Kingsbury, and you see it in the best playcallers across both levels (Reid, Shanahan, McVay, Kiffin). Every third down conversion feels like pulling teeth. I think this is an area where Petrino’s experience and feel should help, along with just the separation of duties
This was something I remember being a defining characteristic of Kingsbury, and you see it in the best playcallers across both levels (Reid, Shanahan, McVay, Kiffin). Every third down conversion feels like pulling teeth. I think this is an area where Petrino’s experience and feel should help, along with just the separation of duties
Posted on 7/17/23 at 4:43 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Of course it doesn’t really feel great to hear Jimbo continue to dance around who will call the plays. 
Like come on man just say Petrino is the OC and has playcalling duties. All this hemming and hawing is lame.
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"I'm not going to get into what we're doing, how we're doing it, again I'm not I'm not trying to avoid anything I just don't want to create...you create advantages or narratives out there for what goes on but listen Bobby was hired for a reason and he's a tremendous coach and tremendous guy, tremendous football mind, tremendous recruiting hes done a great job recruiting since hes been there. Everything he does, and uh, you know he'll call a lot of the look hopefully he'll call the game, we'll have suggestions things on we do and what is offense, defense. Every coach is always involved, thats a...it's a more collective thing than people want to give it room for and then when you get to call it you have people on a roll and you get a guy that can do it and I think Bobby can definitely do that as well as anybody in college football."
Like come on man just say Petrino is the OC and has playcalling duties. All this hemming and hawing is lame.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:05 pm to Dr RC
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All this hemming and hawing is lame.
Jimbo is a buffoon. I want to be completely wrong, but I'm still leaning towards my take from end of last year that an OC hire isn't enough to cover up his weak spots. It's crazy he's even allowed to do this dumbass "gee I hope he can call plays" routine
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:51 am to NanosTacoRun
Agreed on the dancing around the subject, and good points made by RC above.
I know I've said it before, but even if this "expirament" works out, I'm still heavily dissapointed it took a disaster of a season to open Jimbo's eyes that he needed to make major changes to how he runs a program. As supposedly one of the top coaches in the game, one of the few active HC's with a natty ring, he shouldnt be playing catchup to how other programs have been operating for years.
Whether you believe he was forced into changes, voluntarily made them, or somewhere in between, its just very dissapointing in how we got to this point.
I know I've said it before, but even if this "expirament" works out, I'm still heavily dissapointed it took a disaster of a season to open Jimbo's eyes that he needed to make major changes to how he runs a program. As supposedly one of the top coaches in the game, one of the few active HC's with a natty ring, he shouldnt be playing catchup to how other programs have been operating for years.
Whether you believe he was forced into changes, voluntarily made them, or somewhere in between, its just very dissapointing in how we got to this point.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:13 pm to Texas Gentleman
The players seem excited about Petrino. It looks like we will have "some" tempo this year. I cannot count the times last year our true freshman QB was looking at the sidelines for the play and waving his hands to hurry it up.
Petrino will bring out the best in Weigman. That is why I am cautiously optimistic this year. Even more for the next. He's the most talented QB we've had in more than a decade.
Petrino will bring out the best in Weigman. That is why I am cautiously optimistic this year. Even more for the next. He's the most talented QB we've had in more than a decade.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:01 pm to ColoradoAg
All of y’all have made really great points. Most of them I agree with, but the one key thing for me is, you still gotta tee the ball up September 2nd and play football. Idc who calls plays, idc who is in charge of the offense. Just go win some damn games. Winning cures everything! Line em up and let’s play some damn ball! I’m ready for some Fightin Texas Aggie football man!
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:13 pm to Ag_16
My only concern is Jimbo not giving the offense time to develop under Petrino. Whether y'all like it or not, Petrino's offense is going to take time develop. He is the type of guy who demands precision and timing from his receivers and QB. This isn't going to be a Kingsbury offense with a handful of routes and formations that allows us to hang 50+ right out of the gate vs New Mexico.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:22 pm to Texas Weazel
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hang 50+ right out of the gate vs New Mexico
Well, lets just start with winning the games vs our rent-a-wins..... cant believe I just typed that
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:25 pm to Texas Gentleman
I’m more interested or just as interested in our defense and o line
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:28 pm to Texas Weazel
quote:That is Fisher's offense, with some tempo. Something tells me we will be fine
My only concern is Jimbo not giving the offense time to develop under Petrino. Whether y'all like it or not, Petrino's offense is going to take time develop. He is the type of guy who demands precision and timing from his receivers and QB. This isn't going to be a Kingsbury offense with a handful of routes and formations that allows us to hang 50+ right out of the gate vs New Mexico.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:15 pm to Captain Crown
It all starts and ends with the o line. They weren’t good last year and if they repeat their effort it doesn’t matter who is calling the plays.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:32 am to Farmer1906
Agreed. Also, his Missouri State team scored more against Arkansas than we did. (Yes, I know the transitive property doesn't always mean anything but I'll keep my optimism until proven otherwise)
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