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re: quote from spav concerning the offense

Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:02 am to
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:02 am to
I'm counting on it.

Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:15 am to
I'm not. RSJ is Charmin soft. Everyone, myself included, looked at his size and highlight reel and thought "a bigger Mike Evans!" But Mike Evans was a one-of-a-kind hate-fueled stone-cold killer of a WR. RSJ came to college, got popped a couple of times, and has played scared (and lazy) ever since. He's senior season Jeff Fuller.

For the record, I think we have a good WR corps that'll put up numbers, but that's not taking RSJ into account because I've written him off.
Posted by Farmer1906
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:18 am to
I haven't written him off yet. He can turn it around. However we will be just fine with or without him. Between Nacho, Speedy, Kirk, Reynolds, & Pope we have plenty of talent, speed, and size.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:20 am to
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Between Nacho, Speedy, Kirk, Reynolds, & Pope we have plenty of talent, speed, and size.


Yep. We'll be just fine. If RSJ finds his nuts, so much the better, but we're a-ok either way.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:24 am to
RSJ has to light it up and set himself apart this year or it's bye bye NFL dreams. Don't think that Sumlin hasn't sat him down to discuss that.

If he's healthy, he'll be a blocking, going up above the defender circus ball catching freak this year.

That will leave speedy wide open in the endzone 35-40 yds deep.....a lot
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:25 am to
I sure hope I'm right
Posted by swaggyp
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:04 am to
I'm not sure I understand the patience/trust for spav. I miss Kliff lol
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:06 am to
I would have ditched Spav as well. I'm glad we have plan b waiting in the wings now.
Posted by The Balinese Club
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:14 am to
I agree
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:22 am to
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I'm not sure I understand the patience/trust for spav


Sumlin seems obsessed with beating LSU. First he steals Chavis, when maybe a fresher face at DC would have allowed him to sign the best LB in the state last year. Then he keeps spav whose best work to date was helping to shred Kevin Steele's defense in the orange bowl. LSU or bust I guess.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:33 am to
dat BAS be creepin up in diss thread yo
Posted by Farmer1906
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:35 am to
Dafuq? Are you trolling the Ark now?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:38 am to
quote:

Sumlin seems obsessed with beating LSU. First he steals Chavis, when maybe a fresher face at DC would have allowed him to sign the best LB in the state last year. Then he keeps spav whose best work to date was helping to shred Kevin Steele's defense in the orange bowl. LSU or bust I guess.


Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:39 am to
Putting up a top 30 offense despite using a Soph QB who turned out to be a lush of limited ability, and switching mid-season to a true Fish, is actually not a bad performance. It's tough to judge Spav considering what he had to work with.

And it isn't as if Sumlin stood pat. He demoted McKinney after one season at OC, and he brought in Dave C. as run game coordinator to shore up that part of the offense.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:40 am to
Those are good points
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:48 am to
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Dafuq? Are you trolling the Ark now?





I was joking around but you have to admit Sumlin is taking a lot of risks.
Posted by Farmer1906
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:50 am to
Is he? I think Chavis is close to a sure thing. Same with Christensen.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:59 am to
quote:

I think Chavis is close to a sure thing.


I don't. Not at his age, not with our offense. A sure thing would be hiring a guy who has been the DC for a fast paced team for years and who did well when ball control isn't a priority. Chavis running our defense is like getting a VP at Ford to run Twitter. It is a risk.

I am not saying I expect Chavis to do bad, but I think it is folly that some Aggies just assume a top 50 defense next year because he is coaching it. His first year at Tenn he barely had a top 70 defense and I bet that Tenn team (still back when they were good) had more defense talent than we do. I know LSU during his time had more talent that we do. Their fans like to beat the Third and Chavis drum but that doesn't scare me one bit. I am more scared that our defense will be on the field more than any Chavis coached team ever maybe, and who knows how he will handle that?

Christensen is a safe home-run hire to me. Sumlin could have hired him as OC and I would have been happy. I am less worried about that. Moorehead is the new offensive coach I am worried about. His unit needs MASSIVE improvement in play and attitude (outside of Speedy). It is pretty obvious that our recruiting isn't quite the same without Beaty, so Moorehead better be an awesome freaking WR coach so we don't have a setback in that spot.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:04 am to
quote:

I don't. Not at his age, not with our offense. A sure thing would be hiring a guy who has been the DC for a fast paced team for years and who did well when ball control isn't a priority. Chavis running our defense is like getting a VP at Ford to run Twitter. It is a risk.


Who would you have rather hired? I don't think the person you are describing exists.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:18 am to
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Who would you have rather hired?


I would have to go back and see who the best options were last offseason. In my optimal world Snyder would have been fired a year early.

frick that, in my optimal world way back when we fricking pony up and pay Narduzzi a FRACTION of what we are paying Chavis today. That whole thing pisses me off in retrospect, because its a loop: Because we were cheap with Narduzzi, we wasted years with Snyder. Because Snyder failed so hard, we had to get a splash DC hire to give Sumlin a chance. If Chavis and therefore Sumlin flops the next coach probably won't get Chavis money to hire a DC because we will feel burned. So the hot shot DC goes elsewhere and we get a second choice, rinse and repeat.
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