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Posted on 3/1/17 at 11:22 am to Pitch To Johnny
Posted on 3/1/17 at 11:22 am to Pitch To Johnny
Since November libs have cut themselves to death and conservatives have fapped themselves to death. Is there even anyone with enough blood left to give a shite is the better question.
As a moderate, I'm very glad I understand the simple fact that the American people have always succeeded inspite of the fricking terrible people who "represent" us in Washington, not because of them. If I didn't understand that, I think I'd be pretty morbid about the cluster frick we have in Washington.
As a moderate, I'm very glad I understand the simple fact that the American people have always succeeded inspite of the fricking terrible people who "represent" us in Washington, not because of them. If I didn't understand that, I think I'd be pretty morbid about the cluster frick we have in Washington.
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 11:24 am to Pitch To Johnny
But in response to your question, I watched. Didn't think much of it because Trump will say something completely contradictory by 5:00 pm today so wgaf.
Actions, not words, Mr President.
Actions, not words, Mr President.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:32 pm to Warrior Poet
https://www.nasdaq.com/article/american-steel-unlikely-to-get-keystone-boost-despite-trump-order-20170127-00998
Here's an example of actions not words. Trump promises the Keystone pipeline will be made with American steel in his speech the other day as well as when he put the pipeline back into motion, but that is almost impossible.
Here's an example of actions not words. Trump promises the Keystone pipeline will be made with American steel in his speech the other day as well as when he put the pipeline back into motion, but that is almost impossible.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:34 pm to Warrior Poet
Good thing he's wrong.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:42 pm to Farmer1906
It's stupid economic policy regardless of whether he was right/wrong, but it just goes to show how unresearched his comments usually are. I mean shite this was a speech prepared by a staff and vetted and read from a Teleprompter.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:58 pm to Warrior Poet
It's his deal. It's been true the entire way through the campaign. People eat that shite up because it sounds good and don't actually think.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:55 pm to Farmer1906
Obama tapping Trump is now a proven fact as far as the PB is concerned
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:40 pm to Iosh
sad
Its not that I don't believe that kind of corruption exists, it's just that time and time again it has been proven that trump gets his information from completely discredited news sources
Posted on 3/5/17 at 4:09 pm to Warrior Poet
It's a sort of horrific human centipede where the original claim comes from anonymous sources as told by Louise Mensch of Heat Street. Mensch is, bar none, the world's dumbest reporter, she makes Kurt Eichenwald and Chuck Johnson look like Woodward and Bernstein. It's not that she's malevolent, she's just so fricking dumb I wouldn't trust her to get any of the details right. Then the game of telephone goes through National Review, Breitbart, and Trump's Twitter.
I think the odds that the staff with explicit links to Russians like Paul Manafort were tapped is approximately 100%. Since Paul Manafort lives and works out of Trump Tower it's easy to see how this sort of thing mutates from "The IC tapped Manafort in Trump Tower" to "Obama tapped Trump." But Comey doesn't need Obama's blessing to do that kind of thing.
I also don't think people realize how many of these leaks are coming from non-American sources. I'm sure the Western European intel agencies are doing their own investigation since Trump being in hock to Russia would be a big deal to them. And remember we have the FVEY deal with the other Anglo countries specifically as a wink-wink workaround for domestic spying. I don't like that arrangement, and I've complained about it before in Snowden/SIGINT threads, but it's legal (and Trump is so horrific on civil liberties I won't shed a tear if he gets burned).
I think the odds that the staff with explicit links to Russians like Paul Manafort were tapped is approximately 100%. Since Paul Manafort lives and works out of Trump Tower it's easy to see how this sort of thing mutates from "The IC tapped Manafort in Trump Tower" to "Obama tapped Trump." But Comey doesn't need Obama's blessing to do that kind of thing.
I also don't think people realize how many of these leaks are coming from non-American sources. I'm sure the Western European intel agencies are doing their own investigation since Trump being in hock to Russia would be a big deal to them. And remember we have the FVEY deal with the other Anglo countries specifically as a wink-wink workaround for domestic spying. I don't like that arrangement, and I've complained about it before in Snowden/SIGINT threads, but it's legal (and Trump is so horrific on civil liberties I won't shed a tear if he gets burned).
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 7:34 pm to Iosh
Well I think liberals are making a huge deal out of the Russia thing when they are lacking evidence. No better than their tea party counterparts. Although sessions/Flynn talking to any foreign government on behalf of trump during the election is illegal, the portrayal is that we are talking to the most evil and corrupt government in existence as they direct try to undermine us.
I do not question that Russia is the enemy, Putin clearly acknowledges the US is perhaps the only superpower remaining and he clearly wants Russia to return to its old days. I just question this liberal conspiracy theory that trump is their puppet. I mean this is not the first time Russia has come out in favor of an American presidential candidate and it is not the first time Russia tried to interfere with an election at least in part. With that being said, if they did hack the DNC, all they did was show the TRUTH. So run through this with me intellectually for a second - Dems are mad that Russia allegedly "hacked" DNC emails (when in fact one of the key hacks it was later determined his password was "password") and exposed the truth on several important issues, and that somehow pulled the wool over the American people. So are Dems saying we are not supposed to know the truth?
If liberals want justice for this, why do they not want justice when our acting AG met with Bill Clonton in private and a week later the Hillary Clinton investigation was terminated?
I do not question that Russia is the enemy, Putin clearly acknowledges the US is perhaps the only superpower remaining and he clearly wants Russia to return to its old days. I just question this liberal conspiracy theory that trump is their puppet. I mean this is not the first time Russia has come out in favor of an American presidential candidate and it is not the first time Russia tried to interfere with an election at least in part. With that being said, if they did hack the DNC, all they did was show the TRUTH. So run through this with me intellectually for a second - Dems are mad that Russia allegedly "hacked" DNC emails (when in fact one of the key hacks it was later determined his password was "password") and exposed the truth on several important issues, and that somehow pulled the wool over the American people. So are Dems saying we are not supposed to know the truth?
If liberals want justice for this, why do they not want justice when our acting AG met with Bill Clonton in private and a week later the Hillary Clinton investigation was terminated?
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:01 pm to Warrior Poet
I can't speak for Dems, I support leaks generally.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:16 am to Iosh
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Obama tapping Trump is now a proven fact as far as the PB is concerned
Personally, I think this is more political savvy than anything. From the GOP perspective, we've seen how even the allegations of, say, Russian tampering have put you on the constant defensive. Why not give the other side a taste of their own medicine? Even as someone who voted for Trump, I don't believe for a second that any actual tapping happened. However, the allegation begs for a response from the other side (even if that response is "pffft"
), and puts them on the defensive (somewhat) for the first time, really, since Trump took office. I'd rather there have been some solid, actionable evidence released before this hit the news circuit, but like I said, I don't think that was ever the end game.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 7:17 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:01 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Even as someone who voted for Trump, I don't believe for a second that any actual tapping happened.
I think I'm 90% in that camp, but I thought I read from something non-conspiracy that he actually tried in the summer and the FISA courts denied them. If he actually thought it was appropriate to get a wiretap, who knows? Although I don't trust anything to be true at this point. I can't get worked up over any of these allegations or the evidence surrounding it because I just assume everything is some degree of completely untrustworthy.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
He had some pretty strong momentum from his speech and this just killed it I think. I've wanted to get behind Trump and started to again after it seemed like he was turning a corner last week then he does this.
I pretty much feel the same way I did when I voted for him, that he was the lesser of two evils but I don't really like him or believe he will do a good job
I pretty much feel the same way I did when I voted for him, that he was the lesser of two evils but I don't really like him or believe he will do a good job
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:43 pm to TeLeFaWx
I didn't vote Trump but I would be 0% shocked if he got tapped. Seems like it fits Obamas normal moves. Didn't other people get tapped? He used the IRS to target opponents. Dude didn't care for the law, just advancing his agenda.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:57 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Although I don't trust anything to be true at this point. I can't get worked up over any of these allegations or the evidence surrounding it because I just assume everything is some degree of completely untrustworthy.
This this this this. There is an extremely easy litmus test to determine if someone is a complete dumbass and completely separated from reality in today's political environment - if they continue to accept information as factual despite questionable sources and no real corroborating evidence.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:38 pm to Farmer1906
I knew Obama was slime as soon as I saw his cabinet picks except for Gates.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:I think there was tapping. Multiple sources have mentioned Manafort (evidence for his Russia ties are rock-solid compared to Trump's), and as I said, he lives in Trump tower.
Even as someone who voted for Trump, I don't believe for a second that any actual tapping happened.
I just don't think it proves any of what Trump is saying unless it was specifically ordered by Obama and not, say, Comey.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
What took so long?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:20 pm to Iosh
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I just don't think it proves any of what Trump is saying unless it was specifically ordered by Obama and not, say, Comey.
I guess that's what I was getting at. Even if it did happen, I'd be shocked if Obama or his staff ordered it in such a way that the bread crumbs would implicate him directly.
The other part is, I'm starting not to care as much anymore. The constant histrionics over anything/everything that Trump does/appoints/doesn't do is just tiring and after awhile I just care about life more than the drama playing out in D.C. At least for the next couple of years.
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