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Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:23 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:23 am to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
With the post of the got dayum week
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:00 am to TbirdSpur2010
Thank you TBird and Motengator. I take the Rant seriously (way too seriously) and I just love the way we have crafted our message on here up until now.
I think we easily are the third hardest to rustle group, behind the pigs (who have defenses that are years older than ours) or the Gators (who really just don't care enough to care). Taking back the gay is a big part of that.
I think we easily are the third hardest to rustle group, behind the pigs (who have defenses that are years older than ours) or the Gators (who really just don't care enough to care). Taking back the gay is a big part of that.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:46 am to TexAgChill
We're not gay, so own that shite and take it away from them.
That being said, how you doin
That being said, how you doin
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:09 pm to Agforlife
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We're not gay, so own that shite and take it away from them. That being said, how you doin
I appreciate the responses. And, I understand the strategy of owning it. I just think we can cross the line with "owning" it.
Let's just please be a little careful about offering anything that isn't us specifically with regards to the gay porn stuff. Let's please respectful. There are many clever ways to make our points. The other SEC fans expect more out of us as well which is why they giggle and support as at that level. Please be mindful we are Texas A&M. Thank you.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:20 pm to TexAgChill
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The other SEC fans expect more out of us
No, they really, really don't.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:01 pm to TexAgChill
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I understand the strategy of owning it. I just think we can cross the line with "owning" it.
In an environment like the Rant, not really.
I get where you're coming from, and on another board (perhaps a more A&M-friendly one), I'd agree with you. But since I've been on this site, the one constant is that the SEC Rant is a giant Thunderdome. We can bitch and moan about it till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, the "low hanging fruit" is what's going to get thrown out there, every single time.
Every fanbase has a "go-to" insult on here. For TAMU, it's the gay thing. For Ole Miss, it's racism. For Bama, is Gumping. For Florida, it's jorts. The list goes on.
The key to surviving on that particular board is simply to take the teeth out of insults before they're even brought up (or just ignore them when they are). There really is no line to cross when it comes to "owning" it. "Owning" isn't even really a good term for the tactic--it's really just beating folks to the punch. 7 times out of 10 it'll lead to some good natured back/forth ribbing and the conversation moves on. Getting defensive about it only encourages folks to press the issue further and then any chance at an actual convo is derailed (in my experience).
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The other SEC fans expect more out of us
Nah, nobody expects anything out of any other fanbase on the Rant other than the ability to trade paint with the trolls. Like it or not, it's going to be dished out. Gotta be able to take it and give as good as you get. It's not ideal, but that's the way of that board. Stick to the team boards or the OTB for more "real" discussions. Personally, I use the Rant for drive-by trolling more than anything
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:09 pm to TexAgChill
Not to change the subject on myself, but...
There seems to be a handful of just flat out haters who hate on all things Texas A&M; Chocktaw, NFLSU, etc.
Is there a way to categorize these guys as the TAMU Hater Society, or something else to defuse this group as nothing but the All Aggie Haters All The Time Association. There must be a collective group strategy we can construct. I think it's worth exploring.
There seems to be a handful of just flat out haters who hate on all things Texas A&M; Chocktaw, NFLSU, etc.
Is there a way to categorize these guys as the TAMU Hater Society, or something else to defuse this group as nothing but the All Aggie Haters All The Time Association. There must be a collective group strategy we can construct. I think it's worth exploring.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:13 pm to TexAgChill
Kill them with fire?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:13 pm to TexAgChill
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Let's just please be a little careful about offering anything that isn't us specifically with regards to the gay porn stuff.
So basically you feel we are going too far with our attempts?
Guilty as charged I guess. I purposely try to put forth posts that would make an old conservative southern man be uncomfortable. That is the bell I try to ring every time.
There is a reason for that- if they think you will ENJOY their gay dig, and then take it to a place that makes them uncomfortable, they will never call you gay again. So as you start talking ball cupping techniques his brain begins to think "I will never call an Aggie gay again just so I don't have to hear this shite." He is not smart enough to get the deflection, just like he wasn't smart enough to think of a better cut down than "no female cheerleaders equals you are gay." It is a two way street that we have to walk on to play the Rant Game.
You are right though that some of my comments fall short of the nasty mark and are therefore simply graphic. Also sometimes the thread/situation just warrants a good gay joke and we already have an apparatus in place. I will try to show some willpower next time that happens. Its hard though, now that I have trained myself to think that way.
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Please be mindful we are Texas A&M.
Not really, thank God. Very few fans even on here judge us by what happens on the Rant. They judge us by the polite people in the stadium, or our tame tailgating scene.
Plus Texas A&M normally does a poor job of portraying itself, or at least some prominent members do. Texas A&M is nut squeeze, no women cheerleaders, dog worship, tralala, a pimple-faced block, and a jar filled with jizz. All of that stuff has a more official association with the university and Aggies than anything I can come up with on here because we have put forth the "corps experience is the true Aggie experience" mantra for a century. It's not like other student organizations are cranking out weird shite that gets on a TV camera. The worst the non-regs have produced is list eater.
At least to the smarter people on the Rant my comments get across that we are intelligent people. All the gay shite the corps does only has a "you can't criticise the military" defense that quite frankly lost its punch a decade ago. The best defense is a good offense in this case.
We didn't create the monster, a mix of an inward military culture and the advent of digital and television cameras made the monster. We are just scorching the earth so everyone looks to a new location for Aggies.
Sorry if you don't see it that way, but I love my school too much to allow it to be defenseless and brand-poor for forever. Either you control the message or your enemies do.
On here we control the message.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:18 pm to TexAgChill
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There seems to be a handful of just flat out haters who hate on all things Texas A&M; Chocktaw, NFLSU, etc.
Is there a way to categorize these guys as the TAMU Hater Society, or something else to defuse this group as nothing but the All Aggie Haters All The Time Association. There must be a collective group strategy we can construct. I think it's worth exploring.
There's a few posters in every fanbase who specifically go out of their way to run down A&M in every thread (or just conveniently show up to muck up Aggie threads), and then there's posters who are just generally cantankerous and will try to get a rise out of any and every fanbase. Sao (arkansas poster) and Choctaw are two of the latter--you just kinda have to have been around awhile to get their M.O.
Oh, and we have our posters who will do the same in LSU or other threads
Because frickLSU, that's why.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:22 pm to TexAgChill
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Is there a way to categorize these guys as the TAMU Hater Society, or something else to defuse this group as nothing but the All Aggie Haters All The Time Association. There must be a collective group strategy we can construct. I think it's worth exploring.
Actually I have been working on deconstructing them one at a time. Wade was the first experiment (Westcoast started it), and he has taught me that if you push back while giving them respect some of these guys will actually back it off and tone it down. Most are not complete dicks, they just got a taste of that superiority complex when lurking on Shaggy for material. The sad part is they don't know enough to effectively use the talking points they learned, so they will back down when you make them look in a mirror. It is like a baby with a bazooka.
If you try to group label them you embolden them. We tried to label the shite out of goldennugget, and paint him as a bitter TCU fan, with an end result that he has gone even DEEPER into the well with his two gay dad avatar. A label equals validation, and if you treat them as individuals then suddenly they don't feel like they are hunting in a pack.
Sometimes there is nothing you can do. A poster like auburnphan, or CP3, is simply too dumb to be reasoned with. In that case you just point out their obsession and thank them for space in their head.
At least that is my plan. If yall have something better I would love to hear it.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The powers that be and I had a little back and forth.
The bottom line is, there are 6-8 LSU posters (2 are horns posing as LSU fans) that gang RA anything we do. Until things change with the way mods handle RA's we will continue to get banned and trolled relentlessly while our threads get whacked and their shite threads and hateful flames go unpunished. It is the system that we have.
The admins advice? basically start gang RA'ing the troll threads and flame posts that offend us or irritate us.
I would like to see moderation shift to less reactionary responses to RA's and more of a use the. RA to guide you to a thread that may or may not need attention.
Bottom line is we don't collectively RA their bad trolls enough and they are tattle tale RA button happy and have figured out that the strategy works until we respond in kind. So stop turning the other cheek and start RA'ing the bad ones and also letting other Ags know that there is a need for an RA
The bottom line is, there are 6-8 LSU posters (2 are horns posing as LSU fans) that gang RA anything we do. Until things change with the way mods handle RA's we will continue to get banned and trolled relentlessly while our threads get whacked and their shite threads and hateful flames go unpunished. It is the system that we have.
The admins advice? basically start gang RA'ing the troll threads and flame posts that offend us or irritate us.
I would like to see moderation shift to less reactionary responses to RA's and more of a use the. RA to guide you to a thread that may or may not need attention.
Bottom line is we don't collectively RA their bad trolls enough and they are tattle tale RA button happy and have figured out that the strategy works until we respond in kind. So stop turning the other cheek and start RA'ing the bad ones and also letting other Ags know that there is a need for an RA
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:34 pm to cardboardboxer
Unfortunately I've been around too long to be an effective troll for long I was never good at it anyways, but nowadays the only way I get bites is when it's a new poster or a Tiger Ranter who strayed over to the SEC Rant
Individual deconstruction, though, is absolutely an effective strategy. A lot of the e-friends I have on here now actually started as posters I regularly butted heads with.
I was never good at it anyways, but nowadays the only way I get bites is when it's a new poster or a Tiger Ranter who strayed over to the SEC Rant Individual deconstruction, though, is absolutely an effective strategy. A lot of the e-friends I have on here now actually started as posters I regularly butted heads with.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:39 pm to Old Sarge
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The admins advice? basically start gang RA'ing the troll threads and flame posts that offend us or irritate us.
HOLY shite!!!!
Sarge you are the man!!!
Well boys we have our marching orders, time to attack.
TBird, get the sticky ready.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:41 pm to cardboardboxer
Already done my part on the speedy thread
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:42 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
We can't list them. It would be like the Arky haters thread. You see them, you know them. They are the ones that start calling people bitches, faggies, queers, make log construction comments and spend their days bringing up shaggy Bevo talking points.
We are choosing to fling poo with them too much when we really should be just RA'ing en masse.....because that is what they are doing to us.
We are choosing to fling poo with them too much when we really should be just RA'ing en masse.....because that is what they are doing to us.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:42 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:47 pm to cardboardboxer
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Well boys we have our marching orders, time to attack.
I'm worried you misunderstood me.
If we RA everyone all the time the mods won't listen to us. We need to target the truly bad posts and troll threads so that the mods can see a pattern of behavior in the bad posters.
We also need to be thick skinned still, if we cry wolf all the time, we won't get respect from the mods when we we see a real assshole and try to point him out to the mods.
The point is to try to make the rant a more civil place.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:51 pm to Old Sarge
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I'm worried you misunderstood me.
That happens a lot.
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If we RA everyone all the time the mods won't listen to us. We need to target the truly bad posts and troll threads so that the mods can see a pattern of behavior in the bad posters.
Agreed, we need high standards. But then when we identify stuff we need to attack.
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The point is to try to make the rant a more civil place.
I have never RAed anything before today. I say we attack when warranted, and be transparent about what we are doing. I will keep going on my one-by-one strategy (which BTW means avoid the big one I am close to cracking that nut) on the side.
Us working in an organized manner on here upsets the trolls more than moderation is willing to. I agree the Arky hater list is a bad idea, so lets take it one post/thread at a time.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 2:53 pm
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