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Posted on 7/17/15 at 7:14 am
Posted on 7/17/15 at 7:14 am
from Olins newest article.
LSU ranked between 80th and 112th in total offense in five of the six seasons Chavis was in Baton Rouge. The Tigers posted at least nine victories in five of those seasons. They weren’t winning because of their mundane offense.
LSU allowed fewer than 20 points per game in five of Chavis’ six seasons. They allowed 22 points in the other season. LSU never ranked lower than 21st nationally in scoring defense under Chavis.
Even that third-and-Chavis rap is bogus.
Three times under Chavis LSU was ranked in the top 20 in third down defensive efficiency. In two other seasons they were in the top 40.
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It's nothing we didn't already know, but it's still nice to see.
Ammo is you want to shut up a 3rd & Chavis ranter.
LSU ranked between 80th and 112th in total offense in five of the six seasons Chavis was in Baton Rouge. The Tigers posted at least nine victories in five of those seasons. They weren’t winning because of their mundane offense.
LSU allowed fewer than 20 points per game in five of Chavis’ six seasons. They allowed 22 points in the other season. LSU never ranked lower than 21st nationally in scoring defense under Chavis.
Even that third-and-Chavis rap is bogus.
Three times under Chavis LSU was ranked in the top 20 in third down defensive efficiency. In two other seasons they were in the top 40.
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It's nothing we didn't already know, but it's still nice to see.
Ammo is you want to shut up a 3rd & Chavis ranter.
This post was edited on 7/17/15 at 7:15 am
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Posted on 7/17/15 at 8:25 am to Farmer1906
Tried it. They counter with he was good with third downs overall but he always blows one or two big 3rd downs in key games.
Chavis gives up a couple 3rd downs and they can't see that he was carrying it all on his back.
Chavis gives up a couple 3rd downs and they can't see that he was carrying it all on his back.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 8:28 am to Nguyening
Yeah the common counter is that he's good on third downs until it's late in the game in an important situation.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 8:28 am to Nguyening
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he was good with third downs overall but he always blows one or two big 3rd downs in key games.
I like how zero credit is given the to the other team's O. This is football. You can't stop the other team every time whether its the 4th or not.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 8:39 am to Farmer1906
Their reality is completely distorted because they haven't had an offense that can win football games in so long. They expect the defense to carry the team to victory every time out. It shows when they blame him for losses like Clemson where they had like 200 yards of total offense 
Posted on 7/17/15 at 8:44 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Yeah the common counter is that he's good on third downs until it's late in the game in an important situation.
But only with single score leads
Magically Chavis knew how to coach on 3rd down late in big games when LSU had a 10 point or greater lead
Go figure
Posted on 7/17/15 at 9:53 am to Old Sarge
Good God lsufan can be stupid. Wow
Posted on 7/17/15 at 10:16 am to TbirdSpur2010
For a contrast, here are the "3rd and Cameron" stats:
2013:
Georgia 4th Quarter:
3 for 4
Ole Miss 4th Quarter:
0 for 3
Alabama 4th Quarter:
0 for 2
3 for 9 for 3rd down in the 4th Quarter of losses in 2013 (33.3%)
2014:
Missisippi State 4th Quarter
0 for 2
Auburn 4th Quarter
1 for 3
Alabama 4th Quarter and Overtime
2 for 7
Arkansas 4th Quarter
2 for 4
Notre Dame 4th Quarter
1 for 3
Overall 6 for 19 on 3rd down (31.6%) when it mattered most in 2014 losses
9 for 28 on 3rd down in losses overall with Cam Cameron as an offensive coordinator (32.1%)
Only in ONE loss in 2013 or 2014 (Georgia 2013) did the LSU offense do well enough that the loss was due to a defensive collapse at the end.
2013:
Georgia 4th Quarter:
3 for 4
Ole Miss 4th Quarter:
0 for 3
Alabama 4th Quarter:
0 for 2
3 for 9 for 3rd down in the 4th Quarter of losses in 2013 (33.3%)
2014:
Missisippi State 4th Quarter
0 for 2
Auburn 4th Quarter
1 for 3
Alabama 4th Quarter and Overtime
2 for 7
Arkansas 4th Quarter
2 for 4
Notre Dame 4th Quarter
1 for 3
Overall 6 for 19 on 3rd down (31.6%) when it mattered most in 2014 losses
9 for 28 on 3rd down in losses overall with Cam Cameron as an offensive coordinator (32.1%)
Only in ONE loss in 2013 or 2014 (Georgia 2013) did the LSU offense do well enough that the loss was due to a defensive collapse at the end.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 1:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The LSU fan reaction to losing Chavis, specifically the "3rd and Chavis" meme is a case study in group-think and mass delusion. I hate to break Godwin's Law, but it's an awful lot like the way the Germans just ate up Hitler's "we were winning WWI before the Jews took over the government and made us surrender" arguement, otherwise known as the "Stab in the Back" meme, which flies in the face of reality because the economy had completely collapsed, they had lost the ability to produce war materiel and everyone was starving (which is a lot like LSUs offense).
The fact that their games constantly came down to 3rd down stops late in the 4th quarter despite not having any offense is a TRIBUTE to Chavis and actually the opposite of the way they see it. He's the reason it was even POSSIBLE to win that way in the first place. Any other squad would have already long since been completely out of contention. That they then had the gall to chastize him for the loss, when he was really their program's savior, is mind-blowing. It's the exact opposite of the rational way to look at it.
I'm convinced that it wasn't JUST the money that made Chavis leave. He had grown tired of being the SOLE reasont hey won or lost. At A&M, if we lose a game where the defense hold the opposing team to 20 points, the unanimous response of our fanbase will be 'the defense did its part - the offense just faield to put points on the baord' and he'll be lionized.
The fact that their games constantly came down to 3rd down stops late in the 4th quarter despite not having any offense is a TRIBUTE to Chavis and actually the opposite of the way they see it. He's the reason it was even POSSIBLE to win that way in the first place. Any other squad would have already long since been completely out of contention. That they then had the gall to chastize him for the loss, when he was really their program's savior, is mind-blowing. It's the exact opposite of the rational way to look at it.
I'm convinced that it wasn't JUST the money that made Chavis leave. He had grown tired of being the SOLE reasont hey won or lost. At A&M, if we lose a game where the defense hold the opposing team to 20 points, the unanimous response of our fanbase will be 'the defense did its part - the offense just faield to put points on the baord' and he'll be lionized.
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Posted on 7/17/15 at 4:38 pm to Farmer1906
WRONG!!!!!
Third and Chavis DESTROYED their program in 2014. Just go look at the Auburn game, I tell you. The corndogs are right. Just go look. Chavis gave up 24 points in the first half.
Of course, the offense went 3-and-out 5 out of the first 6 possessions. But THAT had NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING!!!!
Third and Chavis DESTROYED their program in 2014. Just go look at the Auburn game, I tell you. The corndogs are right. Just go look. Chavis gave up 24 points in the first half.
Of course, the offense went 3-and-out 5 out of the first 6 possessions. But THAT had NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING!!!!
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:11 pm to KaiserSoze99
3rd and Chavis started with Tennessee fans. I thought Chavis did a good job on third downs when he had good rush ends. Last year we didn't have any game changers on the dline and left our linebackers and secondary too long on islands.
As bad as our offense was the one thing we did when they played well was limit time of possession and the amount of possessions. We did well in stats for points per game and yards but some of that was because the other team was limited on possessions. With all that said Chavis is one of the most respected defensive coaches. Some of the negativity from lsu fans is just sour grapes from losing him. Steele is not an upgrade over Chavis. Coach O and him may be but that's a big maybe
As bad as our offense was the one thing we did when they played well was limit time of possession and the amount of possessions. We did well in stats for points per game and yards but some of that was because the other team was limited on possessions. With all that said Chavis is one of the most respected defensive coaches. Some of the negativity from lsu fans is just sour grapes from losing him. Steele is not an upgrade over Chavis. Coach O and him may be but that's a big maybe
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:39 pm to Cooter Davenport
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I'm convinced that it wasn't JUST the money that made Chavis leave.
It was the Les clause. That would insult the crap out of me too if I was Chavis. You think after 20 years in the SEC you can be hung by your own rope.
The best thing that comes out of all of this is the LSU fans just waiting for us to lose a close game at the end next year. It is like they live on a different football planet than us.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:51 pm to cardboardboxer
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I'm convinced that it wasn't JUST the money that made Chavis leave.
Everyone close to the LSU AD says they matched the money but Chavis still wouldn't stay. It was about security.....and bearing the weight of an offense that couldn't score when it needed to in big games.
I'm convinced that it wasn't JUST the money that made Chavis leave.
Everyone close to the LSU AD says they matched the money but Chavis still wouldn't stay. It was about security.....and bearing the weight of an offense that couldn't score when it needed to in big games.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:13 pm to Old Sarge
Contract dispute (he wanted another year) and of course, the issues on offense. That's the word on the street.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:29 pm to cas4t
No one should fault him for choosing 5 years guaranteed over one year.
We would all do the same.
We would all do the same.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:36 pm to Old Sarge
Alleva probably should have just given him what he wanted. I know LSU fans, myself included, are very excited to see what the new D will look like and are ecstatic about the Coach O hire and the insane recruiting we have right now. But obviously having O with Chavis would have been most ideal.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:40 pm to cas4t
Many of our fans wanted O badly as an assistant to break into LA. The Steele hire will always be perplexing to me just because I feel like y'all could have done much better and it seemed like the search went straight to him. Not saying he will be bad but LSU is about as attractive a job as it gets for a DC
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:41 pm to cas4t
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Alleva probably should have just given him what he wanted.
Depends on where Les stands. To me this whole thing (from the Les clause, to the Joe cheapness, etc.) shows that Les is getting close to the end of his rope and Joe doesn't want to make further large commitments into his regime without seeing some results first.
I could be wrong.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:58 pm to cardboardboxer
I think Miles is absolutely within the last 3 to 5 years of his coaching career. I just don't see him staying much longer. What you said is an obvious sign plus he's just been a coach for a long time.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 4:18 pm to cas4t
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I think Miles is absolutely within the last 3 to 5 years of his coaching career. I just don't see him staying much longer. What you said is an obvious sign plus he's just been a coach for a long time.
Chavis could have been a HC if he had wanted to by now. He just wants a stable job that he can stay at to close out his career. He has a much more insider look than we all do, and he made it a sticking point for the independent contract. I'm sure he'd have rather stuck around at LSU and finished out his career, but he didn't want to be hanging in the wind after Les was no longer the HC. I wouldn't be surprised if he stays 5 years with A&M and then retires.
I don't think I'd really fault Alleva for letting him go either. If you're looking for a HC, he is going to want to pick his own DC. Otherwise it's a situation for the new HC where you come in and Chavis is a co-HC by default. Who wants that? Chavis wanted a HC style contract, but as a DC. A&M was willing to give him that because we don't expect to be firing our HC within the next 5 years. LSU.... eh, not so much.
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