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Finally off the Sumlin bandwagon (Shameless TA repost)
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:43 pm
Took me long enough, but this was too poignant not to share. Credit to portuguese breakfast on TexAgs.
Even further driven home by current recruiting news. I don't even follow recruiting really, and we're one of the top freaking stories on NATIONAL sports talk radio I listen to at work. I mean, a station I get out of freaking Portland, OR, is getting in aggy shots right now, for crying out loud
Sumlin with have to earn my support back. And it'd better happen this season. Hell, we're probably already a year later on pulling the trigger on him. Because We Be Aggy
Even further driven home by current recruiting news. I don't even follow recruiting really, and we're one of the top freaking stories on NATIONAL sports talk radio I listen to at work. I mean, a station I get out of freaking Portland, OR, is getting in aggy shots right now, for crying out loud
Sumlin with have to earn my support back. And it'd better happen this season. Hell, we're probably already a year later on pulling the trigger on him. Because We Be Aggy
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Was Sumlin the driving force behind the magical 2012 season? I give him all the credit in the world for the decision to go with Johnny, but there was more to it than just Johnny as we saw the following season. We had the best offensive line in college football complimented by elite offense talent all over the place. We know who gets the credit for that. And then of course, there was Kliff and his ingenious game planning which we haven't seen since he left. And finally, we had a veteran, although not all that talented defense that kept us in games against florida and lsu, and came up with the critical stop to beat bama.
Where does Sumlin fit in all that? Where is the evidence that he is a good head coach? Why am I an idiot for thinking he is not?
In Fran's last 2 years he was 16-9. He was beat by more than 14 points 3 times. He beat 2 teams that finished ranked. Even though the three regular season losses in 2006 were by a combined 6 points, and he beat texas both of those years, there was no question he had to go. If you thought he should stay, you were an idiot.
In Sherman's last 2 years he was 15-10. He was beat by more than 14 points three times. He beat three ranked teams, 2 of which were in the top 10 at the time. Even though 2 of his 6 losses in 2011 came in ot, 3 others by a combined 7 points, there was not much of a question that he had to go. If you thought he should stay, you were an idiot.
In Sumlin's last 2 years he is 16-10. He has been beat by more than 14 points 6 times. He has beat one team that finished ranked. If you think he should be fired, you are dumb. Why? Because of year one.
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Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:49 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I stopped supporting Sumlin during the Ole Miss game last year.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
been a sumlin hater going on two years now, frick him. anybody who doesn't fire spav after his first year is a goddamn idiot and shouldn't be trusted with changing oil in a car.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:03 pm to Masterag
I just hope the next coach has no personal relationship whatsoever with any of the 247 or texags staff in any way, shape, or form.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I've been off the bandwagon since 59-0, good coaches don't get beat like that. I've had my suspicions about him since late-2013 however.
He owes Johnny Manziel and Mike Sherman everything in his world.
He owes Johnny Manziel and Mike Sherman everything in his world.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
59-0 did it for me, just like 77-0 did it for me with Fran. There is no recovery from that.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
Honestly what finally did it for me was the handling of the Allen situation. Not that I thought he was pristine before, but that was the straw that broke the camels back for me, in hindsight
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Chad Morris, Chad Morris, Chad Morris...
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:03 pm to Dr RC
How is SMU supposed to be this year? If they could somehow get to a bowl game that would make this whole thing very easy, but I feel like that's a huge jump to make
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:15 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
making a bowl game will be tough considering how JJ decimated their depth his last few years.
they drew one of the tougher AAC schedules this season as well.
09/03 - @ North Texas
09/10 - @ Baylor
09/17 - Liberty
09/23 - TCU
10/01 - @ Temple
10/07 - @ Tulsa
10/22 - Houston
10/29 - @ Tulane
11/05 - Memphis
11/12 - @ East Carolina
11/19 - South Florida
11/26 - Navy
I think getting to a bowl will depend heavily on Matt Davis staying healthy and Xavier Jones living up to his potential. They will still have issues giving up a bunch of points but that should be expected w/the kind of rebuild they are mired in.
I could see them sneaking into a bowl if they can stay healthy on offense, the coaching transitions at Memphis and ECU are rough, and Navy sees a decent drop off post Keenan Reynolds. Again though, it will be really hard w/their current depth and schedule that misses both UConn and UCF.
they drew one of the tougher AAC schedules this season as well.
09/03 - @ North Texas
09/10 - @ Baylor
09/17 - Liberty
09/23 - TCU
10/01 - @ Temple
10/07 - @ Tulsa
10/22 - Houston
10/29 - @ Tulane
11/05 - Memphis
11/12 - @ East Carolina
11/19 - South Florida
11/26 - Navy
I think getting to a bowl will depend heavily on Matt Davis staying healthy and Xavier Jones living up to his potential. They will still have issues giving up a bunch of points but that should be expected w/the kind of rebuild they are mired in.
I could see them sneaking into a bowl if they can stay healthy on offense, the coaching transitions at Memphis and ECU are rough, and Navy sees a decent drop off post Keenan Reynolds. Again though, it will be really hard w/their current depth and schedule that misses both UConn and UCF.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
When we entered the SEC and had that 2012 year it looked like the whole world was in our rearview mirror. We were going to contend for a title in the 2013 season, win one within a couple years for sure, and use the GOR period to cut away at the huge perception gap between our program and regional powers like Texas or OU. The end result would be a Texas A&M people would take seriously nationally going forward, like LSU after Saban.
Now I am bearish on the whole thing, not just Sumlin but the whole concept of Aggie football. I expect us to waste the GOR period screwing around with guys like Sumlin, and that we might have a ceiling that looks a lot like Arkansas or Ole Miss going forward. The concept of us taking the momentum from winning realignment and JFF's Heisman and turning ourselves into the FSU of Texas is shot to hell. At best we might be kings of the kid's table.
So I kinda feel nihilistic about Sumlin. I don't really care if he stays or goes, because I am not positive we will hire a better coach next go round. I want to enjoy this year as it is- with an experienced QB, a good OL coach, a good DC, and our best recruiting class maybe ever peaking- and not think about the future or even just 2017. I turn in my Game of Thrones Aggie card for a while, and I resolve to be like the Old Army in my life who are so unplugged they only learn about the bad shite when it effects the play on the field. When they decide to fire Sumlin I will support it, until then I am just enjoying the fruits of the other talented coaches we have and enjoying success in other sports like baseball and basketball.
Now I am bearish on the whole thing, not just Sumlin but the whole concept of Aggie football. I expect us to waste the GOR period screwing around with guys like Sumlin, and that we might have a ceiling that looks a lot like Arkansas or Ole Miss going forward. The concept of us taking the momentum from winning realignment and JFF's Heisman and turning ourselves into the FSU of Texas is shot to hell. At best we might be kings of the kid's table.
So I kinda feel nihilistic about Sumlin. I don't really care if he stays or goes, because I am not positive we will hire a better coach next go round. I want to enjoy this year as it is- with an experienced QB, a good OL coach, a good DC, and our best recruiting class maybe ever peaking- and not think about the future or even just 2017. I turn in my Game of Thrones Aggie card for a while, and I resolve to be like the Old Army in my life who are so unplugged they only learn about the bad shite when it effects the play on the field. When they decide to fire Sumlin I will support it, until then I am just enjoying the fruits of the other talented coaches we have and enjoying success in other sports like baseball and basketball.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 4:16 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Here is the thing for me. I like the staff we have assembled finally. I do not want to see it broken up to start over yet again. But I am honestly in a "meh" state of mind when it comes to Aggie football right now. It is looking more an d more like 2012 was another 1998. Lots of promise for the future frittered away on seemingly random occurrences that undermine the growth of the program. 
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:06 pm to AgBQ00
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It is looking more an d more like 2012 was another 1998. Lots of promise for the future frittered away on seemingly random occurrences that undermine the growth of the program.
Pretty decent analogy. Seems like more of our undermining was self-inflicted this go-round, though.
2012 was either going to be the best thing that ever happened to the program or a fluke flash in the pan. Every passing season is revealing it to be the latter.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
We're going to end up arguing one day that 2012 was actually terrible for our program in the long run. How fricked up is that? How miserably did this thing have to be managed for that to be a reality?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:36 pm to cardboardboxer
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I don't really care if he stays or goes, because I am not positive we will hire a better coach next go round.
I am
I'm not sure we'll get it right, but I'm confident we can hire a better football coach. Mike Sherman had lots of flaws but in terms of on the field, Xs and Os coaching and talent evaluation he smokes Sumlin. Kevin Sumlin is a flashier Dennis Franchione with a few lucky bounces. I have come to suspect that he is genuinely incompetent, at least relative to his peers and his salary.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Mike Sherman had lots of flaws but in terms of on the field, Xs and Os coaching and talent evaluation he smokes Sumlin.
Sherman's unwillingness to adjust to the college game and hire a damn offensive coordinator made things so much worse.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:03 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Our offensive scheme was fine, it was our poor S&C combined with second half defensive collapses that did in his tenure.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
Which is "not adjusting to the college game".
He expected the players to act like NFL pros in terms of their own S&C program and he refused to change his playcalling in the second half.
He expected the players to act like NFL pros in terms of their own S&C program and he refused to change his playcalling in the second half.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:56 pm to TbirdSpur2010
You and I both jumped off the sinking Sumlin ship at about the same time. This horseshite on national news could have been avoided.
A coach getting 5 mill a year cannot let shite like this happen. Unacceptable.
A coach getting 5 mill a year cannot let shite like this happen. Unacceptable.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We're going to end up arguing one day that 2012 was actually terrible for our program in the long run. How fricked up is that? How miserably did this thing have to be managed for that to be a reality?
Pretty damn miserably holy shite
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