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Posted on 12/14/21 at 7:47 pm
Posted by socal91
SoCal
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 7:47 pm
I need one. I pay just enough attention to be dangerous. Why does NSD matter at all if a guy can just leave when he wants? This just seems far worse than the NFL, because there are zero contracts, it's all day to day.

Maybe that's where NIL comes in. Ill pay you x to do y, but it's a 3 year deal, predicated on you doing these things at this school.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
2986 posts
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:14 pm to
NSD matters because most players don't transfer. And most of the best players don't transfer. So it's easier to get em know than get em later.

And you explicitly cannot make playing for a particular school a condition on the NIL $. I'm sure it happens, under the table, but I don't NIL was designed to stop, or discourage, transferring. At this point, it's there purely to stave off future lawsuits until the NCAA and P5 schools decide what they want to do with major college football.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 8:16 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60148 posts
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:37 pm to
For a school like A&M (or any of the SEC schools that recruit at a really high level) you are a kid's first choice. Aside from a coaching change, if a kid is transferring it's almost always because he's fallen out of favor with the staff or been passed on the depth chart. Look at who we have transferring this year for example.
Posted by socal91
SoCal
Member since Nov 2018
99 posts
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:40 pm to
I realize that college sports has been a one way street. I made 12th man in the 80s, and saw it. even before Jimbo got his millions. (Jackie got his 600k, and everyone lost it.) The dollars across the board have grown exponentially, and the idea that it was worth a college degree has been warped by tv dollars, and the NFL increases. The degree is pointless, it's just the path. The G league.

At some point, balance has to kick in. It has to become quid pro quo.

I am all for the kids not being exploited. But they have their end of the bargain too. If a guy can leave at any time, he should be able to be cut at any time.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
2986 posts
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

If a guy can leave at any time, he should be able to be cut at any time.

Kids can be cut at any time. It just takes the form of pushing kids out via various manuevers.

I don't think there's a single player walking into the Bright Complex without Jimbo's blessing.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 8:45 pm
Posted by socal91
SoCal
Member since Nov 2018
99 posts
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:22 pm to
some blessings are given due to optics. Some for needing numbers on what we used to call the sausage squad. Some for performance. and others for potential. I get all of that. But at some point. we are headed for "pay to perform." And that knife has two edges.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:06 am to
So... if a student is at A&M on a full ride and during their junior year a school like MIT wants them to transfer in and is willing to give them a sweet research gig or a company like Google calls and says they will hire them for millions of dollars but they need to make the move in mid December before final exams you think they should have to stay, take the exams, and graduate instead?

Because that's kind of what you're saying.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 2:07 am
Posted by socal91
SoCal
Member since Nov 2018
99 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:33 am to
As a business, I still have the ability to make decisions. One could be letting that guy go.

Contracts are good. They provide clarity.
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
2619 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:26 am to
As someone else said, most of the good recruits dont end up transferring, most only leave because of playing time so its a big deal to sign them up front. For every Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray story about transferring, theres hundreds of guys that made a big contribution to their team and went on to the NFL staying where they started.

I dont like that kids seem pretty apt to move real quick after just a year, but if a coach can just up and leave and take another job with no consequences, why should players be held to a different standard?
Posted by socal91
SoCal
Member since Nov 2018
99 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:24 pm to
'why should there be a different standard?'

There shouldn't be. Contracts are contracts.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 3:18 pm to
You didn't really answer my question. Do you think a kid on a academic scholarship should be allowed to go elsewhere before they graduate? B/c it seems like you think once a kid gets a scholarship they shouldn't be allowed to leave even if they hate where they are or have a better opportunity elsewhere.
Posted by socal91
SoCal
Member since Nov 2018
99 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 4:31 pm to
I think all contracts should have equitable provisions for both parties. I'm not saying anybody should get screwed, just that there need to be guard rails.

This is where NIL gets dirty.

This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 4:34 pm
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